lets say when everyone first did emerald nightmare when it released nobody had like 860 ilvl cause ilvl was capped at 850 from gear until EN unlocked. N gear is 850 and lets say average ilvl on everyone on release was 840-845. you should be able to do Nighthold on Normal at like 865 ilvl i believe im not an expert but thats just what i think correct me if im wrong
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oh god im not ready for that
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yeah im 868 ilvl and my guild couldnt kill helya on Normal before the nerfs, havent tried to kill her yet. but my guild probably pugged it already aswell as HC