Liberals should watch this video

[Wells]

You fail as hard as Clinton did to see the difference. Trump insulted politicians and public figures. Hillary insulted VOTERS. It's not exactly a smart strategy, ok? Kids running for student council know better than to run on "the other guy sucks, and his supporters suck more".

Yeah, definitely no voters ever offended or insulted by Trump. He's just wildly unpopular by accident.

[Queen of Hamsters]

You fail as hard as Clinton did to see the difference. Trump insulted politicians and public figures. Hillary insulted VOTERS. It's not exactly a smart strategy, ok? Kids running for student council know better than to run on "the other guy sucks, and his supporters suck more".

... Hahaha! It's downright hilarious how you can say that "insults do not win elections" when your sweetheart did just that.

Trump INSULTS that clearly did win him an election

[Wells]

Do you want me to call you in a therapy puppy?

Its rare to see someone contradict his own argument so aggressively in the same thread he's making it.

[Torto]

You do realise that a correctly implemented 'free' health care option in the US would save the country $1 trillion+ each year in costs ?

But no - let's not let facts get in the way of your fantasy

Uh-huh sure...

As soon as you implement 'free' healthcare, the costs go through the roof. Why? Because doctors think that now the government (taxpayer) is paying for everything then they can go the whole hog. "Oh you got a headache? Alright let's book you in for a full ct scan and radiography analysis."

Doctors don't care, they don't pay for it and their only concern is not to get sued by missing a diagnosis.

[Wells]

Americans love Liberalism if you go issue by issue, it's just that the Democrats decided to ignore all that shit that people care about this time and pick a corrupt lying warmonger because she was crowned the winner before she even entered the race.

Yeah, like I said before, the Democrat's problem is logistics and planning, not platform.

[drakensoul]

Uh-huh sure...

As soon as you implement 'free' healthcare, the costs go through the roof. Why? Because doctors think that now the government (taxpayer) is paying for everything then they can go the whole hog. "Oh you got a headache? Alright let's book you in for a full ct scan and radiography analysis."

Doctors don't care, they don't pay for it and their only concern is not to get sued by missing a diagnosis.

Yyyeah, sorry that's not how it works at all. As a hospitalist. You're about as far from reality as possible. I mean it's a nice first year med school argument... or a pre-med candle-wielding talking point.

But completely devoid of reality.

[Masark]

The GOP and their base now has to actually govern.

On what basis do you presume this?

[Wells]

Uh-huh sure...

As soon as you implement 'free' healthcare, the costs go through the roof. Why? Because doctors think that now the government (taxpayer) is paying for everything then they can go the whole hog. "Oh you got a headache? Alright let's book you in for a full ct scan and radiography analysis."

Doctors don't care, they don't pay for it and their only concern is not to get sued by missing a diagnosis.

Why are health care costs in single payer countries so modest then?

On what basis do you presume this?

My boundless optimism.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Uh-huh sure...

As soon as you implement 'free' healthcare, the costs go through the roof. Why? Because doctors think that now the government (taxpayer) is paying for everything then they can go the whole hog. "Oh you got a headache? Alright let's book you in for a full ct scan and radiography analysis."

Doctors don't care, they don't pay for it and their only concern is not to get sued by missing a diagnosis.

Um... I have never EVER experienced that mentality from doctors here in my 30 years, and we only pay around 20 euro per visit to the doctors, regardless of what is being done... Instead they do what needs to be done, they have other patients to care for and NOT based on their money. If you want special treatment, you can seek out a personal doctor but when I had one of those he didn't do anything that the regular doctors couldn't do... it was just that I could reach him personally at any hour.

On the contrary, the dentists (our dental care is not free) are the real crooks that will want to keep you in a gridlock of visits and examinations and procedures to squeeze money. The veterinarians are the same, and that care isn't free for obvious reasons.

[Draco-Onis]

Americans love Liberalism if you go issue by issue, it's just that the Democrats decided to ignore all that shit that people care about this time and pick a corrupt lying warmonger because she was crowned the winner before she even entered the race.

I agree and I think to the same degree the same goes for the RNC which is why they got Trump. The political parties in this country have stopped representing the people and the idea that they are based on, all they seem to want to stand out is social issues.

[Masark]

Why are health care costs in single payer countries so modest then?

Obviously the Commies that run those nations (and the UN, of course) lie about the Real Costs.

And of course, they save money via DEATH PANELS!

[Sky High]

Americans love Liberalism if you go issue by issue, it's just that the Democrats decided to ignore all that shit that people care about this time and pick a corrupt lying warmonger because she was crowned the winner before she even entered the race.

preeeety much. Trump arguably ran a more liberal campaign then clinton did on several issues. like not wanting to mess with SS, being none interventionist (half the time), being in favor of improving our infrastructure, arguing for paid sick leave, it goes on and on.

[Wells]

preeeety much. Trump arguably ran a more liberal campaign then clinton did on several issues. like not wanting to mess with SS, being none interventionist (half the time), being in favor of improving our infrastructure, arguing for paid sick leave, it goes on and on.

It'll be funny to see what happens when none of that survives the GOP.

[alexw]

Uh-huh sure...

As soon as you implement 'free' healthcare, the costs go through the roof. Why? Because doctors think that now the government (taxpayer) is paying for everything then they can go the whole hog. "Oh you got a headache? Alright let's book you in for a full ct scan and radiography analysis."

Doctors don't care, they don't pay for it and their only concern is not to get sued by missing a diagnosis.

No they don't. All the nations that have taxpayer funded healthcare spend far less per person for similar outcomes. It varies anywhere from 3/5 less to 1/3 less.

The actual facts belie your statements.

Oh and the ones that have the closest costs? They are generally the ones that are the most free market like. So for example Switzerland uses an insurance based model akin to the U.S.

[Tijuana]

... Hahaha! It's downright hilarious how you can say that "insults do not win elections" when your sweetheart did just that.

Trump INSULTS that clearly did win him an election

I didn't vote for Trump. I'm just pointing out a thing that might well save the Democrat party. But, they want to continue to shout down, mock, and offer no actual ideas of their own.

[Sky High]

It'll be funny to see what happens when none of that survives the GOP.

oh we know what they want to do with SS, and it's far from pretty.

[Tijuana]

Its rare to see someone contradict his own argument so aggressively in the same thread he's making it.

Mockery IS the thread topic, after all. This isn't a policy thread. Also, nice "I'm rubber and you're glue" argument. 10/10

[Wells]

oh we know what they want to do with SS, and it's far from pretty.

Trump not saying a word about them stripping out "buy american" provisions is a glimpse into what the next 4 years will be like.

[Glorious Leader]

preeeety much. Trump arguably ran a more liberal campaign then clinton did on several issues. like not wanting to mess with SS, being none interventionist (half the time), being in favor of improving our infrastructure, arguing for paid sick leave, it goes on and on.

He argued from many populist liberal positions. Every single one will be abandoned. He will fulfill none. The clinton campaign failed to.argue with him about politics and.policy. they never tied him to paul ryan.

[Tijuana]

No they don't. All the nations that have taxpayer funded healthcare spend far less per person for similar outcomes. It varies anywhere from 3/5 less to 1/3 less.

The actual facts belie your statements.

Yeah, there is only one nation that spends more than even one of our two ways. We spend double and get half the results. Luckily, Obama fixed it all though, and now everything is cheap and effective, right? What's that you say? What do you mean only addressing 10% of the cost (the insurance) is a poor method to bring overall costs down? Saying that is akin to denying that the best way to get car repair costs down, is to regulate car insurance. Wait a minute...