Trump suggests he would ditch F-35 in favor of cheaper plane

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Its like space wars program of 80s (or was it 70s?) - program to milk government for money. That's all there is to it.

Good move by Trump. That money could be spent on something that actually matters, such as improving healthcare and education.

[alexw]

Its like space wars program of 80s (or was it 70s?) - program to milk government for money. That's all there is to it.

Good move by Trump. That money could be spent on something that actually matters, such as improving healthcare and education.

I thought it was going to be spent on making nukes great again?

[Stormspellz]

So, you are accepting the conspiracy theory that, just before Trump Tweets, that a person sells stock, for "reasons", and said person therefore MUST have been Trump. I mean the leaps of faith in this conspiracy theory are just massive....

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What good is a jet you share with others? Make one that beats theirs, and keep it to ourselves, imo.

Never said it had to be Trump, even mentioned that very fact previously. I'll even go as far as say Trump may be indirectly involved, one of the many vulture capitalists he's surrounding himself picked up the information (or more) and acted on his own.

[Tijuana]

Never said it had to be Trump, even mentioned that very fact previously. I'll even go as far as say Trump may be indirectly involved, one of the many vulture capitalists he's surrounding himself picked up the information (or more) and acted on his own.

So, even though there is NO LOGICAL REASON someone would use insider info is this manner, you just think "Trump is up to shit". Ok then....

[Pane34]

So much stupidity in this thread.

A F-18 with the avionics package in a F-35 will end up costing way more than a F-35. Customer Requirements are driving the cost.

The only way to trim down a F-35 at this point is consistency, not playing these games every year with Production Rates, PNR, Requirements, etc.

[Mayhem]

Of course not, because it isn't. I already explained to you that suspicious activity would look every different, and how. This is pure tin foil being spread by conspiracy theorists. Even if Trump did what I say a smart insider trader would do, we have an agency that watchdogs, the SEC. They have Twitter. This Twitter poster doesn't have info the SEC does not.

What if the person knew that what would look suspicious might be considered suspicious and therefore didn´t act suspicious?!

[Tijuana]

What if the person knew that what would look suspicious might be considered suspicious and therefore didn´t act suspicious?!

If Trump wanted to sell his stock before the value dropped, he could simply just not drop the value with his Twitter hand. This conspiracy makes no sense....

[Mayhem]

If Trump wanted to sell his stock before the value dropped, he could simply just not drop the value with his Twitter hand. This conspiracy makes no sense....

I don´t know why you keep insisting that it was trump who sold his stocks.

[Tijuana]

I don´t know why you keep insisting that it was trump who sold his stocks.

I keep insisting that selling your stock just before the price goes down is factually the DUMBEST way to exploit insider trading info, particularly so when the down tick is temporary. If someone was actually up to something, they would have either been a buyer at the low price, or short selling the high price. Simply selling the stock before it has a temporary downturn is the most retarded insider trading effort in history. Also, the SEC is a thing so, people need not investigate via Twitter. Just sayin...

[Mayhem]

I keep insisting that selling your stock just before the price goes down is factually the DUMBEST way to exploit insider trading info, particularly so when the down tick is temporary.

And with temporary you mean still lower than prior to the tweet?

If someone was actually up to something, they would have either been a buyer at the low price, or short selling the high price. Simply selling the stock before it has a temporary downturn is the most retarded insider trading effort in history. Also, the SEC is a thing so, people need not investigate via Twitter. Just sayin...

But as you said, that would be suspicious.

[Tijuana]

And with temporary you mean still lower than prior to the tweet?



But as you said, that would be suspicious.

The Boeing stock did the same thing. I don't really want to argue your retarded point. I showed you how dumb it was and that is all I can offer. You can lead a conspiracy theorist to water, but you can't make him drink.

[Mayhem]

The Boeing stock did the same thing.

Are you looking at different Lockheed Martin and Boeing stocks?

I don't really want to argue your retarded point. I showed you how dumb it was and that is all I can offer. You can lead a conspiracy theorist to water, but you can't make him drink.

You don´t argue my point, you argue your point. So you don´t want to argue your own dumb point, got it.

[Tijuana]

Are you looking at different Lockheed Martin and Boeing stocks?



You don´t argue my point, you argue your point. So you don´t want to argue your own dumb point, got it.

Dude...come on. You don't even understand the basics...

[Mayhem]

Dude...come on. You don't even understand the basics...

Dude, you´re talking about a tempory dip that didn´t happen and compare it to stocks that had temporary dips but still went up through out the past weeks.

[Wiyld]

A "dip" is temporary, and pointless if you know it's a dip. You don't seem to understand how this works. Needless to say, the SEC has Twitter. If this conspiracy theory is true, they will nail him.

You are missing the second part of the maneuver - you sell high...then the price tanks and you rebuy at a lower price....its a pure win.

[Mormolyce]

Absolutely not. Iron Man is an authoritarian. Team Captain America all the way; fuck that Nazi-like registration plan.

Pfft, RINO!

[Gorgodeus]

You are failing to understand how it works, sorry. If you wanted to exploit this info, you would have bought stock low, or shorted someone else's stock before. Selling your stock just before it goes down, when you have inside knowledge that the down is TEMPORARY, is factually the DUMBEST way one could use inside information, if you can even call it that in this circumstance.

Real simple:

I find out Trump is gonna make stock I own in Company A tank, and I know it will be temporary, so I sell off my stock. I have 1000 shares worth $100 each, so $100,000 total value. The stock drops in price by $10 per share after Trump flaps his big lips. I then take that same $100,000 I made and buy all the stock I can in Company A at $90.00 per share, which is roughly 1,111 shares. The stock rebounds back to $100, and voila - I now have $111,100 worth of stock instead of the original $100,000.

Now imagine that on a larger scale, and you can see why there might be an issue here.

[Mormolyce]

So, even though there is NO LOGICAL REASON someone would use insider info is this manner, you just think "Trump is up to shit". Ok then....

What, offering insider info to others in exchange for favours?

That's like, the second most logical motive to use insider info.

[Tijuana]

You are missing the second part of the maneuver - you sell high...then the price tanks and you rebuy at a lower price....its a pure win.

No...just....no. If you are smart you short someone else's stock, then buy more stock at the low. That isn't what happened here. Whoever this person is, simply sold ahead of a TEMPORARY down turn. There is no actual reason to think the earnings potential of this company was actually impacted in the long term, by a Trump tweet.

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Real simple:

I find out Trump is gonna make stock I own in Company A tank, and I know it will be temporary, so I sell off my stock. I have 1000 shares worth $100 each, so $100,000 total value. The stock drops in price by $10 per share after Trump flaps his big lips. I then take that same $100,000 I made and buy all the stock I can in Company A at $90.00 per share, which is roughly 1,111 shares. The stock rebounds back to $100, and voila - I now have $111,100 worth of stock instead of the original $100,000.

Now imagine that on a larger scale, and you can see why there might be an issue here.

Why not just short the stock? This isn't how it really works.

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What, offering insider info to others in exchange for favours?

That's like, the second most logical motive to use insider info.

No, what I am saying, is that if they had inside info, and this is what they did with the info, they are fucking morons without the advice of a competent broker.

[Gorgodeus]

Why not just short the stock? This isn't how it really works.

I incur no risk in my scenario. If you short the stock, and let's say Trump does not tweet, and the stock price happens to go up, I lose.