Ariana Grande speaks out about objectification after fan encounter

[Elba]

No one is disputing they shouldn't be objectified, but to defend them when they themselves are the source of their objectification...man, you guys are nuts.

How is she the source of her own objectification? Being objectified is something that is done to someone. If you objectify someone that is on you.

Unless you are arguing you don't have free will and can't help yourself.

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10 bucks says someone is going to try to justify rape in this thread.

[Dawnrage]

Sexuality isn't something that's dirty and bad that upstanding people need to keep at a distance. I don't advocate or support regressive or repressive views on sexuality or sexual morality and I want nothing to do with trying cultivate them. Your entire approach to this issue is plain bizarre and has no business in a liberated society.

Lol ok. So you are ok for her to continue being a sex icon because it's really progressive to our society (wtf?), and even though that means that people will continue to objectify her due to that, it's not actually her fault and some people just got to stop doing the bad things

Yeah, I sure am bizarre, and I guess so are the majority of posters in this thread who share that thought with me. Must be nice to be so progressive since you've lost me with that outlook.

At the very least, I will hand it to you that you have a unique way of looking at things, and trying to spin it so it makes sense (to you). Can't beat that kind of egotism I guess, so that's something that you should be proud of.

How is she the source of her own objectification? Being objectified is something that is done to someone. If you objectify someone that is on you.

Unless you are arguing you don't have free will and can't help yourself.

I guess that's the wrong way to put it, but she perpetuates it, heavily.

It would kind of be like porn, which is funny because that's what her videos are essentially - softcore porn.

[Dawnrage]

I am capable of not objectifying her, despite her behavior. Why aren't you? Are you saying you are inferior to me?

Just shows you haven't read any of my previous posts. Here we go again though.

I personally have no problems with her. As I have said, if I ever met her, I would treat her like I would any other person, even after knowing what I know of her from this thread and watching the few videos I did (since I had no idea who she was prior to this thread). It's not about her - I would not objectify anyone (I don't even know why you brought up the inferiority thing, you secretly have a complex don't you?)

The problem isn't me, nor the people on this forums you guys are going gung-ho trying to raise your flags and declaring war here. The problem are the people who are likely to NOT browse gaming forums like that - A.K.A people that you won't even have the balls to go up to tell them in their face that they are the problem, because they are those stupid assholes that are prevalent in the world that you can do nothing about.

This is going to go back and forth isn't it, because apparently trying to talk some sense into you guys is the same as me being one of the people who objectify her. You guys just white-knight with no regards for anything else, so fuck it. I know when to step away. Good luck in your crusade. I'm sure she appreciates it.

[NoiseTank13]

isnt her current chart topper about her being fucked so hard she cant walk straight

'no dont call me sexy thats objectifying me'

okay donut licker

[Mistame]

How is she the source of her own objectification? Being objectified is something that is done to someone. If you objectify someone that is on you.

Her public image is mostly that of being a sex "object". But to be clear, standard objectification (treating someone as less than human) is not the same as sexual objectification (focusing on one's sexuality while disregarding their personality, etc).

No, she doesn't deserve to be treated like shit because she dresses sexy. But some people have this misguided notion that talking to someone about someone else with them standing right there is objectifying them, which it's not. It's certainly rude as fuck but it's not objectification. Nor is asking rather rude, but personal questions about their sex life. This really is just a case of her trying to gain public attention because some drunk idiot "sexualized" her (what actually happened) while talking to someone else.

Lol ok. So you are ok for her to continue being a sex icon because it's really progressive to our society (wtf?), and even though that means that people will continue to objectify her due to that, it's not actually her fault and some people just got to stop doing the bad things

There's nothing inherently wrong with flaunting one's sexuality, but one has to accept that when you start doing so as a public figure, that's how the public will see you.

[Zeth Hawkins]

10 bucks says someone is going to try to justify rape in this thread.

Oh look, another person equating "being talked about" to "being raped"

[Glorious Leader]

This isn't some random girl who has a you tube page, this is someone who is famous mostly because of her "sexy behaviour". When you are famous and you are in public you are "on duty", if you do not want this then get a 9 to 5 job.
This guy didn't assault her in any way, so that is not a comparison in any way.

This only butresses the argument that you have trouble seperating fantasy from reality. Product from person. Celebrity icon from flesh and blood human.

[medievalman1]

No, you definitely are part of the problem. Just two or three posts ago you told me if I was "really" on her side, I'd personally help perpetuate repressive and senseless standards of sexual morality, demanding she change, rather than the people who are actually the problem. That sort of fatalism is cancerous and at odds with reality, where society can and does change.

You're dealing with a whole lot of subjectivity in the form of morality and social mores. Who decides that the actions of either she or he is, in fact, "wrong"? Or, more to the point, that either of them are exclusively "wrong"?

This only butresses the argument that you have trouble seperating fantasy from reality. Product from person. Celebrity icon from flesh and blood human.

Except her "professional" life isn't fantasy. It is reality. Product from person? So, her professional image/life is merely product?

[medievalman1]

If I wanted to engage in moral inanity, I would have used moral language.

Yeah, see, that's a problem. The topic at hand is rooted in "moral inanity", your desire to avoid engaging in it is unimportant.

[medievalman1]

It's really not, even if that's the way most people will engage with it.

Well, I can see this is going to go far. Nice discussion here.

[Glorious Leader]

You're dealing with a whole lot of subjectivity in the form of morality and social mores. Who decides that the actions of either she or he is, in fact, "wrong"? Or, more to the point, that either of them are exclusively "wrong"?



Except her "professional" life isn't fantasy. It is reality. Product from person? So, her professional image/life is merely product?

Her profrssional life is expressly about fantasy unless you think shes really writing about wanting to have sex eith you. Its entirely written to sell you the fantasy that she just might.

[s_bushido]

This only butresses the argument that you have trouble seperating fantasy from reality. Product from person. Celebrity icon from flesh and blood human.

Her sexuality is just a fantasy? Would you say the same about a supermodel or a pornstar?

[Katchii]

How is she the source of her own objectification? Being objectified is something that is done to someone. If you objectify someone that is on you.

Unless you are arguing you don't have free will and can't help yourself.

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10 bucks says someone is going to try to justify rape in this thread.

I think the main argument is that Ariana objectifies herself, so everyone treating her as an object is them just going along with what she's already done for/ to herself.

Acting horrified that someone will sexualize someone else who is dressing in such a way as to draw attention to their..."assets" is disingenuous. We all know what kind of society we live in, what qualifies as cute, sexy, slutty, etc behavior and/ or clothing. If you don't want the attention you KNOW you'll get, don't dress that way or at least don't be surprised or get upset when you get noticed in a sexual way. How people act is entirely on them so I'm not trying to hold the wearer accountable for the actions of someone who noticed them, not even a little, but you can't deny that's the reality of the world we live in.

It's like walking right next to a pool with a bunch of splashing kids and then getting upset that you got wet. Yeah it's the kids fault for splashing, but you were the one who walked near them expecting not to get wet.

[Ol Scratch]

He really didn't, though realizing that would require you to know what objectification actually is.

Well, except he did.

objectify, v. degrade to the status of a mere object.

"Models are just clothing racks."

Yeah, not sure how that's not "degrading to the status of a mere object." You got me.

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Reading this shows a just how sexist and pathetic most men are unfortunately. You sound just like muslims and rapists.

She is a person not an object. So what if she dresses sexy and revealing doesn't mean you get to treat her as a peice of meat.

It is clear none of you have ever been on the receiving end of this.

Oh! I get it now, I get it.

It's only objectifying if it's in regards to women! My bad, my bad. If it's unisex ("models are clothing racks"), it's cool. If it's about men (aka "beefcakes," "studs," "dreamboat," etc.), it's cool. But if it's in regards to women, or a specific women, then it's a cardinal sin. How could I have missed that one? Silly me.

I didn't know this was one of those "white guys can't be discriminated against" topics. But hey, now I know!

[Akka]

And, to be clear, even if someone's job revolves around their appearance, that does not in any way justify objectifying them.

Why not ?
Let's stop being stupid and/or hypocrite. If someone uses sexualization to get his/her money and fame, then s/he has no ground to complain that people primarily think about sexualization when they see them. It's just ridiculous to complain that people actually see someone as the person shows him/herself. Duh.

[Glorious Leader]

Her sexuality is just a fantasy? Would you say the same about a supermodel or a pornstar?

Yes its explocitly so with a porn star for example. Unless you think youre going to fuck asa akira and shes really desperate for you.

[s_bushido]

Yes its explocitly so with a porn star for example. Unless you think youre going to fuck asa akira and shes really desperate for you.

So when you take the comparison from "I call her sexy because she makes a living doing sexy things" to "I have sex with her because she makes a living doing sexy things" you don't think that's blurring the line between fantasy and reality?

If someone makes a living (in part or in whole) by being sexy, why should I, that person, or anyone else be upset when someone points out that they're sexy?

[Post]

It's like walking right next to a pool with a bunch of splashing kids and then getting upset that you got wet. Yeah it's the kids fault for splashing, but you were the one who walked near them expecting not to get wet.

I like the way you put it. Yeah you totally got hit by the car, and the car shouldn't have hit you, but you really shouldn't have been running around on the freeway.

[Elba]

Oh look, another person equating "being talked about" to "being raped"

Don't be dense. You know I meant someone is going to take the whole "if she hadn't worn that dress or been in that place" argument to its usual conclusion when pressed.
You're smarter than that.

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Btw you can objectify people all you want. You can cream your pants when looking at her all day and no one cares.

But if you go up to her and tell her that, even in nicer words, you become a problem.

[Total Crica]

Don't be dense. You know I meant someone is going to take the whole "if she hadn't worn that dress or been in that place" argument to its usual conclusion when pressed.
You're smarter than that.

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Btw you can objectify people all you want. You can cream your pants when looking at her all day and no one cares.

But if you go up to her and tell her that, even in nicer words, you become a problem.

um, i cant read anything you post without hearing your avatars sexy voice in my head...*swoon* his acting is so nice!