Sheriff offers inmates to build trump border wall

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The offer is being made to people that want the fence built, not to the prisoners that they would be taking there to build it. So reread a few things then the first line in your own comment and sit down to a yummy plate of crow.

the prisoners can also say no. du-uh

[Masark]

The point was its not slavery, which is what a lot of people think.

Except that's exactly what your constitution says it is.

[Torto]

I couldn't care less. The Constitution doesn't tell me what to think.

No, Das Kapital does

[TrumpIsPresident]

What you defend is slavery, not penal labor sentences. And even the 13th calls it "slavery".

Except that's exactly what your constitution says it is.

The caveat comes after the word involuntary servitude not after the word slavery.

That's because slavery is/was not the same thing as involuntary servitude, even back then.

This is why the SCOTUS has, on multiple occasion through the years, defined and redefined what "involuntary servitude" is in order to rule that things such as penal labor, community service, and even the draft, are Constitutional.

[Deleted]

The caveat comes after the word involuntary servitude not after the word slavery.

Now your are reinterpreting the phrase's grammar to fit your argument? Just wow.

"Neither... nor... (comma) except... (comma) shall exist..."


And no one is denying penal labor as a penal sentence, what you are defending is slavery of the current penal convicts.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Now your are reinterpreting the phrase's grammar to fit your argument? Just wow.

"Neither... nor... (comma) except... (comma) shall exist..."

No.

The Supreme Court is.

You cut that part out of the post you replied to.

This is why the SCOTUS has, on multiple occasion through the years, defined and redefined what "involuntary servitude" is in order to rule that things such as penal labor, community service, and even the draft, are Constitutional.

Its precisely how they have been able to make the rulings they have made.

[Torto]

Entertain me. On what do you base that?

As a proper Marxist I'm sure you have memorised the book, but perhaps you should re-read the section on "The Production of Absolute Surplus Value".

Although, I must say I was confronted with his observations on the working day for children.

[Steve French]

What you defend is slavery, not penal labor sentences. And even the 13th calls it "slavery".

These people need to repay their debt to society, whats wrong with a little manual labor? Not like they are going to be abused or worked to death.

[Zython]

Penal labor is specifically allowed under the Constitution.

Yes, and it's a stupid idea for the reasons I mentioned.

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These people need to repay their debt to society, whats wrong with a little manual labor? Not like they are going to be abused or worked to death.

1. That actually happens a lot.
2. Again, you're creating monetary incentives for prisons when prisons should be corrective facilities.

[Deleted]

These people need to repay their debt to society, whats wrong with a little manual labor? Not like they are going to be abused or worked to death.

It already happens with penal labor sentences.

[Torgent]

Not slavery. When you're in prison for a felony you do whatever they tell you.

Nope. That's not how it works at all. That was deemed slave labor and made illegal.

[Super Friendly Kitty Cat]

http://www.infowars.com/sheriff-offe...p-border-wall/

Good, it's about time prisoners start being useful instead of being useless behind bars.

Put those criminals to work. Let them see what an honest days work is really like instead of weight lifting and smoking cigarettes.

[Jastall]

But they don't need to be watched by armed guards, transported and held captive 100% of the time they are doing it. There is no way it is cost effective to roll them out there to do this.

Of course it's not cost effective, prison labor often isn't, these guys are often unskilled and unmotivated laborers that do a job for a pittance. They're not going to do it perfectly in many cases. But I heard private prisons enjoy using labor as a way to make more money, which to me has pretty disturbing implications to be honest.

[Spiffums]

Awesome back to slavery./s

Hard Labor isn't slavery. Jail/Prison isn't supposed to be a fun thing.

[Super Friendly Kitty Cat]

Of course it's not cost effective, prison labor often isn't, these guys are often unskilled and unmotivated laborers that do a job for a pittance. They're not going to do it perfectly in many cases. But I heard private prisons enjoy using labor as a way to make more money, which to me has pretty disturbing implications to be honest.

So you are against unskilled prisoners learning a trade in construction versus having them sit around all day lifting weights and smoking cigarettes?

[AlphaOut]

It's forced uncompensated labor by wards of the states. Sounds like slavery to me in every sense that matters.

Free Room and board, college education. And you can get paid to work. Cmon...

[Super Friendly Kitty Cat]

Free Room and board, college education. And you can get paid to work. Cmon...

Don't forget, free TV, and free health care.

"Oh noes, those oppressed criminals, they shouldn't have to pick up a shovel and move some dirt around. OH THE HUMANITY!!!"

[pateuvasiliu]

Who says its uncompensated? Prisoners are always paid for their work. It may only be a few bucks a day but thats all they need since they are provided a free room, free food and water, free showers/soap, free clothing, free combs, free entertainment (TV, gym, rec yard, board games), and free healthcare. The only thing they need money for is buying snacks from the commissary.

Okay. So if they refuse to work what will you do, then?

[AlphaOut]

Don't forget, free TV, and free health care.

"Oh noes, those oppressed criminals, they shouldn't have to pick up a shovel and move some dirt around. OH THE HUMANITY!!!"

Right? And lets be real, would you rather have prisoners working construction or back on the street doing who knows what; learning essentially nothing from their time in prison because people thought employing them and teaching them trade skills was considered slavery. Seriously people?

[Noradin]

Do you think prisoners in China and Russia are immune to working for their government?

They are much less numerous for one.
Are China and Russia the ideal you want the US to emulate?

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The point was its not slavery, which is what a lot of people think.

Read that part of the constituion you have quoted again.
It does not say "having prisoners work for free is not slavery", it says "slavery is illegal except in the case of prisoners", in other words "treating prisoners as slaves is legal".