Given what many allegedly 'moderate' Muslims are prone to denying (women's rights/LGBT rights/etc, if Pew Research and others are anything to go by), never mind those of a more hardline persuasion, evolution is the least of our worries.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
[QUOTE=Jakisuaki;44115949My religion teacher was an atheist.[/QUOTE]
OT, but I think that's super positive tbh. It gives the teacher a better foundation to teach objectively about religion
that usually means that people believe what is proven, instead of what some fairy tale book tells them. why exactly is that stupid? Oh, and atheism isnt a religion. it is literally the absence of religion. because atheism doesnt tell you crazy fairy tales that contradict science, atheists accept science easier.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
The solution is quite simple, education is the answer. That doesn't mean people have to believe what is being taught, but it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be taught. That is exactly why one can make comparisons to other religions and countries. The more you subject people to data, the more you inform them. If they choose to be ignorant, that's on them.
I have already pointed out religious beliefs conflicting with science should not come into consideration in education.
I picked up on that poster saying "People outside EU:This is how the majority is in EU. They suffer from xenofobia and it's really bad." and that attitude is what I am criticising now.
You joined in with that line of conversation, if you don't like it then hey ho.
The main problem is their definition of "Theory", where they believe its just a guess, whereas its actually:
"a well-confirmed type of explanation of nature, made in a way consistent with scientific method, and fulfilling the criteria required by modern science." - scientific theory.
And even with all the evidence there is, there is no silver bullet so to speak to point at the exact moment we evolved from the lesser creature into what our definition of homo sapien is. We keep finding fossils that edge us closer and closer, but finding that exact moment is hard to do. Although, I feel even with that, it wouldn't be enough.
Denying evolution is on the same level as believing that earth is flat. Evolution is so much more than just a weak theory, there is evidence everywhere. I don't know why being religious means you have to ignore hard facts. Just because god didn't create everything just as written in the bible that does not mean there is no god. Blindly believing in myths/stories/whatever is never a healthy thing.
In many places lately, it really doesn't matter what they think, they have to teach the cirriculim and cannot express their opinions in the classroom.
I don't know how it is in Germany, but in France a teacher cannot teach whatever he likes or believes in class, he has a curriculum to follow. He can believe in mermaids for all I care, important is not to say it as fact to my kids. And they don't, it is very strict. To be honest, I am inclined to think it is the same over there. And when you say ''continued influx of people like these'', what do you mean? I thought immigrants and refugees are an unskilled mass of sheep, now all of a sudden they are your academia destroying your science classes? Is that easy to become a teacher these days?
Well as long as they aren't forcing their PoV on their pupils I don't really see why a teachers personal beliefs are of any concern.
You literally can't teach biology, bio chemistry or medicine without teaching evolutionary theory.
Just because you don't understand the meaning of words that doesn't change facts.
I strongly recommend you read the dictionary definition of "scientific theory" which is different than the colloquial meaning of "theory".
https://global.britannica.com/science/scientific-theory
Teaching sciences requires you to teach an empirical reality, religion belong in a different realm of academia. Science is empirical, religion is anecdotal. Someone who has no grasp of something like evolutionary theory because "opting out", automatically opted himself out from a wide range of advanced academic education.
But the chances of me convincing you to reflect and learn more about something you dismiss as "not real" is simply zero. At the point where you are in your life, your parents, your nurturing environment and your education system has utterly failed to instill basic scientific skills or the ability for critical thinking. You and many like you are essentially a lost cause, because its not just that you don't understand what we are talking about, but you outright refuse to learn about it.
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Islam needs the same treatment Christianity had in western culture. Ridicule and scorn for thier regressive view untill the majority change their ways.
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"It doesn't matter if you believe me or not but common sense doesn't really work here. You're mad, I'm mad. We're all MAD here."
Well we try. But the results are not pretty and thats despite the fact that education in Germany is not perfect but free and public schools are staffed and funded. Unfortunately we have groups from different cultural backgrounds in one and the same classroom, so one and the same educational approach results in group specific outcomes. Less authoritarian teaching approaches do not resonate well with a significant number of students from highly authoritarian (and mostly partriarchal) households. The resulting difference in grades (especially math and literacy in German) are steep.
The suggestion to seperate these students from the rest and apply alternative teaching methods and communication strategies more tailored to the tone they are accustomed to has no been well recieved. The political nature of the system and the governing political attitudes between people tasked with education makes ideological standpoints trumping pragmatic approaches a sad reality. Modell projects for develop alternative solutions for the present problems are long term solutions that might come to late if this trend continues.
It's complicated really.
The thing, there isn't a single damned thing you can do to convince creationists that they are wrong. Creationism is a component of their identity, of how they see, interpret and understand the world (disconnected from reality). For them to change their view on this issue, would basically require to completely alter who they are, and how they see their place in the world.
Some people who are either innately capable of such critical thinking can do this on their own, disconnected from their environment, others require education and nurturing to posses these skills, and this is why Creationists are pushing their agenda so hard in education, especially early education, they understand that the best way to fostering this environment of ignorance is by robbing kids of an objective empirical education.