The Terrifying Stakes Of Repealing Obamacare Without A Clear Replacement

[Aggrophobic]

And he'll pay for this with money from?
You can't just make things happen just becuase you're president. Someone has to pay for these things.

[Baelic]

Let's hope not. The only people that want Canadian healthcare are those that have never had to deal with it.

As a Canadian who has had to deal with it, I am quite thankful for our healthcare system.

[Wells]

And he'll pay for this with money from?
You can't just make things happen just becuase you're president. Someone has to pay for these things.

Republicans only care about budgets when they're not in power.

[Mahourai]

The GOP has had 6 years in the weeds and nothing.

The GOP's plan will end up basically just the ACA, except they will sell even more worthless plans than the current version of the legislation in order to falsely inflate the numbers of the insured. They couldn't allow Obama to take credit for it, so they stonewalled until any success from passing a healthcare bill would be attributed solely to Republican leadership.

[Wells]

I think tonight's round of posting actually gave me brain cancer. It's like Gen-OT went and Gen-OT'd itself.

My favorite so far tonight is "there's no difference on human rights between the West and Russia".

[ati87]

The GOP's plan will end up basically just the ACA, except they will sell even more worthless plans than the current version of the legislation in order to falsely inflate the numbers of the insured. They couldn't allow Obama to take credit for it, so they stonewalled until any success from passing a healthcare bill would be attributed solely to Republican leadership.

You're given them to much credit, sure they may keep some parts but they can still destroy the healthcare system.
http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/13/paul-ryan-jeff-jeans-video/

Paul Ryan talks with some guy here and he mentions ''high risk pools'' this is a crappy idea that does not work, where a person who is seen as a high risk are all put together.

This isn't how insurance works! You can not put in every single ''risky person'' in the same category and keep the insurance affordable, you need to ''spread'' the cost of a insurance between people that don't use it that often and people that do use it.

[kail]

As is often said in GoT, "Words are wind". If he manages to provide effective social healthcare for everyone in the 4 years, I will vote for him in 2020.

[alt-ithist]

Yeah exactly! “I think we will get approval. I won’t tell you how, but we will get approval..." it sounds like hes on campaign trail.. uh.. so he declined to reveal specifics because, uh, he didn't want anyone 'copying off of him'? lool such a joke.

He got elected on not revealing specifics, why would he change a business model that's obviously very effective?

[Gray_Matter]

At this point I think we either go back to full free markt healthcare or go full socialized healthcare. The latter is wildly unpopular I know, but this mixed bastardized version does only one thing: combine the worst of both worlds.

You mean go back to the old system where people with type 1 diabetes couldn't get healthecare or the old people paid 3 times as much as younger people? If you look at all of the aspects to the ACA, the only one that the majority of the country didn't like was the requirement to get health insurance or pay a tax penalty. The problem is that's the one aspect that paid for the others. Try not to listen to the politicking behind it. Research it yourself. Is the system perfect, hell no. That doesn't mean it was as bad as some would have you believe. It's a hell of a lot better than what was there before.

If Trump comes up with a decent system to replace ACA then I am all for it but it's not going to be, as he says, "Insurance for all" and “lower numbers, much lower deductibles” unless one of three things happens:

1. Caps on coverage.
2. Socialized health care.
3. Some action is taken to cut back the industry costs.

2 and 3 won't fly with the GOP so that leaves 1 which is back where it was before ACA.

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Well the ACA is a socialist plan that was republican in nature, it only got butchered because a Democrat was the one in charge. I also love all these people who think a government run program means 4 years for treatment, when it's nothing like that in other countries that have such plans. Yea you might need to wait 2 months for a very minor issue, but if you go in with something major you're treated, and you can afford to set up those 2 month waits to get your checkups and preventative care work done. Means a healthier society, which means more people able to work.

My daughter fractured her elbow. We went to the emergency room and got it put in a brace. The next day we went to our primary care physician. She requested a visit to the specialist from our health insurance (which we paid $1200 per month for at the time). It took them 6 weeks to approve the visit to the specialist. At which point it wasn't worth going because any lasting damage would have been done. Tell me again how private health insurance works.

[stabetha]

I assume it'll be more like the original Obamacare before the republican congress got their hands on it.

And did what?

[Heltoray]

sounds like yet another completely unrealistic promise he will never be able to keep. I see a pattern there, guys. Bullshitting is real.

[stabetha]

You all seem to forget the democrates had complete control eight years ago could have passed anything they wanted and instead of socilized medicine they gave the insurence companies a big old bag if money from your pocket, but yeah its the republicans fault, dam that Bush.

[Shadowferal]

You all seem to forget the democrates had complete control eight years ago could have passed anything they wanted and instead of socilized medicine they gave the insurence companies a big old bag if money from your pocket, but yeah its the republicans fault, dam that Bush.

And now you'll get socialized medicine from Trump.
And you'll enjoy socialism because...Trump.

How does that work without your cognitive dissonance getting in the way?

[Breccia]

"Trump declined to reveal specifics"

And like that, we're back to business as usual. But allow me to speculate from available data:

Trump has already pledged to cut social programs, including Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (which will be block-granted, leading to more problems as I linked yesterday). "Insurance for everyone" will, therefore, mean more private business handling health care than even now under the ACA. This leaves three options:

A) The section of the ACA which prevent insurance companies from blocking/gouging people with pre-existing conditions, or selling plans which don't actually cover patient needs, and those that require businesses to provide insurance for their employees (but provide tax incentives for doing so) are left intact. This means we basically have the ACA, except with a higher burden on the individual rather than buying in bulk.

B) The section of the ACA which prevents insurance companies from blocking/gouging people with pre-existing conditions, or selling plans which don't actually cover patient needs, and those that require businesses to provide insurance for their employees (but provide tax incentives for doing so) are removed. "Insurance for everyone" will then see a mix of increased costs to the individual (for those with pre-existing conditions, or those who buy health insurance when their employer used to provide it but no longer does) mixed with an increase of people buying plans with yearly/lifetime caps, don't pay for preventative care, and can drop you on whim -- exactly the sort of thing the ACA was made to protect.

C) Trump is lying.

It's not that I mind the US trying to negotiate directly with pharm manufacturers to lower prices, but I don't see Trump or his team doing such. Nothing about his campaign has ever said "let's damage big business" in a way that made me forget he is big business, and pledging to give them unparalleled tax cuts.

[Deleted]

I'm not sure why they're still scared of socialism now that they want to be BFFs with Russia. You would think that part of Cold War era propaganda would go away as well.

Russia hasn´t been socialist for a while.

[Masark]

You all seem to forget the democrates had complete control

False. They required Lieberman's independent vote to attain the 60 votes needed to get past the Republicans' filibuster, and he was dead set against any public option.

Honey, the GOP has to actually govern now.

I am not convinced of that.

[Shadowferal]

Russia hasn´t been socialist for a while.

When have they ever been truly socialist?

[paralleluniverse]

Sounds sort of like he is wanting to do what Bernie Sanders was talking about when he was trying to get the democrat nomination. Slightly raise taxes on everyone and then the government covers us all with insurance.

No.

The chance of a single payer system under Trump and the GOP is less than 0%.

This is Trump duping you idiots.

"It will be the greatest, cheapest, highest coverage, bestest healthcare ever!"

The GOP is opposed to healthcare as a right, opposed to universal healthcare, in favor of repealing ACA to reduce taxes on the rich. Pull your head out of your ass.

[Orbitus]

No.

The chance of a single payer system under Trump and the GOP is less than 0%.

This is Trump duping you idiots.

"It will be the greatest, cheapest, highest coverage, bestest healthcare ever!"

The GOP is opposed to healthcare as a right, opposed to universal healthcare. Pull your head out of your ass.

I am going to go out on a limb and say it will be worse and more expensive than what we had before the ACA.

[Total Crica]

Can't pay my healthcare bills with "vows", so why would I care what he is "vowing"?

What I want to know is what are us 20million people going to do about it if he DOESN'T replace our insurance after repealing the ACA?

Are we going to be as awesome as South Korea was in protesting THEIR president when she did things to harm them?



Or are we just going to roll over and beg for table scraps?