I welcome a single payer system with universal access which grants everyone in the country rights to basic healthcare. It's the right thing to do.
I welcome a single payer system with universal access which grants everyone in the country rights to basic healthcare. It's the right thing to do.
Trump will make a new great healthcare plan, it will be amazing
then i don't understand?
are you saying under a single payer system you should or should not have pay cuts?
if they move to a true single payer system it will not be a gradual system change that will cut your salaries, it will be a drastic cut in salaries forced by govt regulations and forced rate acceptances.
i too am all for single payer even though it will most likely mean i am out of my current job and will have to find another
I'm for a single payer system and understand that means pay cuts for doctors. All you have to do is look at any other socialized healthcare system. I just don't think saying "pay cuts for doctors will fix the majority of the problem" is anywhere near correct, because it won't and isn't. 15%. I think people immediately going there as the first-stop for fixing the system don't really understand how it works.
I think it will be a gradual change because the adoption of anything resembling a Germany, Switzerland, or other mandate access, semi-single payer setup is going to be slow and painful here. People are vomiting at the idea of the ACA which is only a 15% step toward it. I think it's going to take a lot of step-wise, systematic legislation to get there. Clearly it's not happening under Trump/Price/Ryan.
Ultimately I can see 20-40% reductions depending on specialty. I think it's a difficult thing to balance considering there's already a physician shortage in most fields and areas.
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Probably but I'd wager it's a "we've dug so deep" issue. The biggest problem is that preventative care drastically reduces the overall costs. However, we've let things bloat and be put on the books for so long I'm not sure what could really be done to dramatically reduce the costs quickly enough. Additionally, I don't know what the insurance rates and coverage really look like in the comparison countries. Additionally too, we have a population which dwarfs the shit out of all those countries.
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It would seem reasonable that the biggest push back to single-payer is exactly this. It would close a shit ton of jobs in the US with nothing to replace them and it requires a huge leap of faith that the fuckwits in office wouldn't ruin the entire industry putting actual care back to 1909.
relative population size is not that big of an impact since the rest of the system is just as big and ratio's of both systems are about the same.
it will be a huge impact to the economy but the money spent on healthcare would quickly shift to other area's of the economy because no one in this country ever saves anything :P
There is plenty of data out there. For example admin makes up 25% of all US healthcare spending. In other nations its between 10-15%.
https://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ve-costs/?_r=0
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It would be too big to do in one go. The problem is so massive that its going to take a couple decades of slicing and dicing the system with a bit off here and a bit off there.
Unfortunately republicans are taking us in the wrong direction.
Wouldn't it stand to reason that having many healthcare providers where there are many redundant version of the same system (One for each company) is a large contributing factor for admin costs being higher? And that it also stand to reason that allowing those redundant/duplicate systems to be consolidated reduce overall spending/
That is exactly the reason. You have multiple insurers each with multiple plans. Those have to be managed and negotiated over (in terms of how much is actually paid vs list price and whether payments are even made at all) by the insurance company, by the hospital/clinic, by the patient, and some involvement by the employer who provides it in the first place. It adds up to masses of wasteful overhead that doesn't improve care one bit.
Just going to a single payer system alone, would cut the cost of healthcare by ~10%, by getting rid of all this excessive bureaucracy.
What? You think our country's voters actually do research on their choices? You should have seen family members of mine who supported Hillary and had no idea she was so pro-war/violence (for the record, I'm blue and supported neither). By next year, you'll see middle/lower income idiots who supported Trump and start raging about taxes.
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Trump won't come up with anything. He's far too stupid to be able to do that. He'll spout meaningless drivel like he always does and someone else will do the work. Whether what those other people come up with will be any good is another thing entirely. Since there really isn't any viable alternative to the ACA except single payer I expect the republican replacement to be a total disaster.
Most doctor's aren't working the hours you said, in fact, hardly any are. You're posting incorrect information to make your argument, don't get snide when you get called out on it.
This is a deliberate misrepresentation of my argument. Reducing physicians salaries, by lowering the reasons for why their salaries are high, will have further reaching impacts than just the cost of their salaries. Doctors aren't being paid $400k a year solely because they are worth $400k to their practice, but because of the cost of doing business as a doctor. You completely glossed over that point in your crusade to defend the tireless medical professionals who are working 45 hours a week.
More than that I would think. With Single Payer you would remove
Insurance companies, Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare and literally an entire wing of most major hospitals and all the redundant overhead to do with it.
That would be a minimum of a 20% reduction in costs from all that overhead gone, let alone the profit motive of the insurance companies. And that is before the idea of actually being able to better negotiate prices unlike now where Medicaid is banned from negotiating medicine prices due to Bush Jr, forcing them to pay upwards of 40% more than what the VA pays for the same stuff.
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