The Terrifying Stakes Of Repealing Obamacare Without A Clear Replacement

[zenkai]

Obamacare not completely fix thing. Obamacare bad

More like. Obamacare took broken thing and broke it more, Obamacare bad.

[Tinykong]

No its not, prior to the ACA i was given a premium based on my risk. Now my premium includes the risk of everyone else because it has to. So no this statement is inherently incorrect.

Nothing about my statement is incorrect. If you pay for insurance, your premium dollars are being used to pay for other people's medical care, that's how insurance works. Some people will take out more than they put in, some people will put in more than they take out. Everyone is paying into a pool of money, based on their level of risk, and that giant pool is used to pay for everyone's care.

[unfilteredJW]

Yeah like free healthcare and the repeal of ACA. Which is one of the primary reasons your complaining. You want free stuff because you believe your entitled to it at someone other than your expense.

Yeah, fuck people who think they are entitled to being alive.

[cubby]

Honest question. After this shit explodes, why not try to install single payer?

This might actually come about. The GOP needs to show that it finally (90th time is the right time!) repealed Obamacare. But their followers really don't understand the minutiae of complicated legislation, so the GOP could just "dismantle" it, and then add single payer (or fix it another way), and claim Trumpcare - something Obama has already said he wouldn't give a shit about.

So a real fix could be in the making even with all the hype.

[unfilteredJW]

This might actually come about. The GOP needs to show that it finally (90th time is the right time!) repealed Obamacare. But their followers really don't understand the minutiae of complicated legislation, so the GOP could just "dismantle" it, and then add single payer (or fix it another way), and claim Trumpcare - something Obama has already said he wouldn't give a shit about.

So a real fix could be in the making even with all the hype.

And I'd fucking take it.

[zenkai]

Actually, no. We hear these stories and want to see things improve for folks who haven't benefited from the ACA. But the issue is that based on the data we have, those that have benefited outnumber those that haven't, and rather than attempt to work with Democrats to improve the ACA, the GOP has spent the past 6 years trying to repeal it.

And they still don't have the faintest clue on how to replace it, despite their promises to do so.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/simoncon.../#16dae2907a4f

[Tinykong]

Right, but in turn, should healthcare be so costly that you can't afford to live life?

I don't think health care should cost anything, I believe it's a human right and should be provided to everyone.

Under the ACA, the penalty wasn't strong enough, because the people most likely to avoid paying for it are probably the ones least likely to use it, and their premiums are needed to lower everyone else's costs.

[cuafpr]

as much i want the ACA repealed (or modified) it shouldn't happen until in one vote they can both repeal and replace it with a new system protecting those that do need it.

[zenkai]

I mean, and then there are people like me, who could finally get insurance without it being jacked up several undred dollers cause "anxiety is a pre-existing condition even though you've never been hospitilized for it lulz"

That's crazy, like I said I would be fine with a government ran single payer system. Someone shouldn't get screwed in life just because they wasn't born with perfect health.

[I Push Buttons]

Yes, and the ACA sped it up. My company use to absorb the cost, but they couldn't because of ACA, the insurance companies would come in and explain to us why we where getting shafted and pointed out why which was usually something that got implemented by the ACA in stages.


But it's ok instead of some people not having health insurance, we all now have SHITTY health insurance, woohoo!

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You obviously didn't, or you would have showed a report saying how ACA is saving lives.

Literally every argument against the ACA is a fucking anecdote.

Why don't you people ever link some actual evidence? Because the only data I have seen says the exact fucking opposite?

[Fenius]

Nothing about my statement is incorrect. If you pay for insurance, your premium dollars are being used to pay for other people's medical care, that's how insurance works. Some people will take out more than they put in, some people will put in more than they take out. Everyone is paying into a pool of money, based on their level of risk, and that giant pool is used to pay for everyone's care.

Then you obviously have no idea what an actuary is or its role in a company. Let alone have the mental capacity to understand the math involved.

[Daelak]

The difference and problem Republicans have with Obamacare is that it's not fixing healthcare cost. Obamacare did nothing to really reduce the cost, it was a law designed to make more money go into the insurance industry such that they could give free healthcare to the poor. They did this by trying to force young healthy adults to pay in, and by giving taxpayer money to the insurance industry. It did not improve competitiveness, it did not lower the cost for hardly anyone. It simply was a mechanism to get the poor free insurance plans. It's astonishing to me that in 2000+ pages of legislation that is Obamacare, that there wasn't anything in there to break the monopolization of insurance in states by allowing to buy acrossed state lines.

ACA has slowed healthcare cost inflation, especially in areas where the states' didn't reject medicare subsidies, a nakedly egregious political move that fucked over millions of people across the US in getting health insurance.

After years of explaining this shit on this board, competing across state lines does jack shit when the only people buying insurance are the old, sick, and dying. It doesn't matter where you live.

[NYC17]

I don't think health care should cost anything, I believe it's a human right and should be provided to everyone.

Under the ACA, the penalty wasn't strong enough, because the people most likely to avoid paying for it are probably the ones least likely to use it, and their premiums are needed to lower everyone else's costs.

Fair enough. Or at the very least every one should have catastrophic coverage provided.

[Fenius]

Yeah, fuck people who think they are entitled to being alive.

No just poeple like you

[Wolfheart9]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/simoncon.../#16dae2907a4f

Cute story. Know what's better than no coverage for the $100,000+ heart surgery I'm having in two weeks? The Obamacare plan I'm on.

[unfilteredJW]

Remember, it's about seeing your team win.

[cubby]

You obviously didn't, or you would have showed a report saying how ACA is saving lives.

Whoooosh! And there is goes right over your head. Let's walk you through this, m'kay?

1.) ACA has lots more people covered (badly or not, more covered > not covered at all).
2.) ACA go away (that's what repeal means) makes those previous covered not covered
3.) People without healthcare can die (that was the study, rofl).
4.) When ACA does away, more people will die.

That was the answer to your asinine statement that:

No one is going to lose their lives over this, that's just a scare tactic used on ignorant people.

[Jotaux]

That's crazy, like I said I would be fine with a government ran single payer system. Someone shouldn't get screwed in life just because they wasn't born with perfect health.

I think repealing the ACA would be a step away from that. The US is scared of anything even remotely socialist, you have to ease them into these things.

[Thepersona]

This might actually come about. The GOP needs to show that it finally (90th time is the right time!) repealed Obamacare. But their followers really don't understand the minutiae of complicated legislation, so the GOP could just "dismantle" it, and then add single payer (or fix it another way), and claim Trumpcare - something Obama has already said he wouldn't give a shit about.

So a real fix could be in the making even with all the hype.

you know, if the gop makes single payer a reality, UK style, trump would then be a good president, solely for that... but the possibility of that happening is stupidly low

[Naxere]

I kinda hope Trump does single-payer, just to see how the hysterical left would respond.