when you say "don't delay, spam it". Are you referring to the mutilate>envenom spam, pushing to get in as many critical hits from envenom as possible?
when you say "don't delay, spam it". Are you referring to the mutilate>envenom spam, pushing to get in as many critical hits from envenom as possible?
Try to get Gul'dan's trinket and sky is the limit with the synergy
whats the best time to use the guldan trinket in the opener with mantle ?
I would assume after your vanish. One thing of note, if you choose subterfuge over nightstalker, you actually get 9 seconds of the crit buff when using vanish. From opener of the fight it's 6 seconds.
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I managed to figure out a far superior opener (which involves legendary shoulders and guldan trinket) but for certain reason cannot share with it, yet.
In the class discord I saw this rotation posted:
*Talented into Subterfuge*
Garrote > Mutilate > Rupture > Mutilate > Vendetta > Envenom > Kingsbane > Mutilate > Envenom (Delay ~2 sec here) Vanish / Mutilate > Garrote > Envenom > Mutilate
Here's a visual breakdown of the opener:
http://i.imgur.com/iRejc5B.png
The main benefit is that you're pushing the tail end of Kingsbane into the 2nd mantle buff window.
Credit to wEak in the Rogue Discord.
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This opener is good enough to get rank1 on Krosus. I tell you this not to bragg, but to try to grab your attention, because there is so much misinformation about Rogue opener all around on the internet it makes me feel sad.
This is viable ONLY IF you have both shoulders and guldan's trinket. This is based only on feelcraft and personal experience after hundreds of wipes since 7.1.5 and several training dummy tests.
I believe this could be slightly improved, but this is almost final version of the best rogue opener with shoulders and guldan trinket.
you should use it after your first vanish in your pull rotation. 1. be sure your ap poison is fully stacked 2. be sure kingsbane is up, because you get 13 melee hits within 3 secs which are able to procc ap poison, what can boost your kingsbane a lot 3. use it after an envenom because of #2
This is a bit confusing. You use Vanish + Rupture, so I assume you have Nighstalker? But then the 100% crit buff falls off after 6 seconds, meaning it misses half of your Fel-Crazed Rage, your 4CP Envenom, and your Mut+Kingsbane at 8.5s. With the low levels of crit Assa Rogues are running, that means you likely have only 3 or 4CP, but then you follow up with a Vanish+Rupture after?
Also, the initial Kingsbane hit is one of your hardest-hitting abilities, but you use it outside the 100% Crit window and before Vendetta, which just doesn't seem right.
Unless I'm missing something, if you got rank 1 on Krosus with this it likely has more to do with Poison Bomb and BotA procs than the actual opener.
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Ankleshanker, 110 Rogue, Aerie Peak US
RIP Insane KB damage on the opener with shoulders.
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Hi, I've lurked here for a while. I got Draught of Souls last night and am also using the shoulders, attempting to find a solid opener. So far the best results seem to have been:
Garrote > Mut > Rupture > Mut > Mut (Arcane Torrent) > Vanish/Rupture > Vendetta/ KB > Envenom > Draught of Souls
Dunno if this is optimal, but the logic behind it is to make the most of a full pandemic night stalker rupture and of course fit a full draught in with the crit buff.
I'd really appreciate any suggestions anyone has to improve this opener, pretty new to rogue and info seems sketchy thanks to all the variables introduced by possible legendary combos!!
You could just open with garrote +mutilate+ rupture+ draught, thats most of the crit buff timer, then do normal thing.
Draught benefits from Vendetta, and maybe from Surge of Toxins (to be tested, I currently try to use it when the debuff is up on my target).
It's definitely better to use it after your 2nd Vanish when you have 5AP + Vendetta + SoT on your target.
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easy to test.
1: go to target dummy, hit your trinket
2: wait for cooldown, hit vendetta, hit trinket. Was the damage higher or the same. There you go. mystery solved.
Edit: Nevermind, Garrote does indeed snap shot.
Also, I seem to see a new version of the opener everyday. I currently have Shoulders and Belt,
Rogue is my alt and its only like 880, and would generally like to know the most optimal opener.
Any decisive answer on the best opener?
Last edited by Spryte; 2017-02-03 at 09:30 PM.