It's official, President Trump takes over.

[CostinR]

Donald Trump got through, because both benches are in a sorry state. That's not a crisis. That's an emergent property from how the Presidency has been run for the past 16 years. A key job of Hillary Clinton would be to build a Democratic bench had she been elected. In fact, the Clinton's were uniquely gifted AT doing such a thing.

I've been talking about this thing above long pre-Trump. How does it get fixed? Time and money. No other way. Democrats maybe will be ready by 2020. Maybe not until 2024. Republicans however... Trump bailed them out by getting them the White House, but their bench is horriffically thin too and its masking it. They're having deep troublign filling all exceutive branch posts.

Well it seems the power of the presidency needs to be cut by quite a bit. It has become too strong, and Congress needs to not be a rubber stamp again.

I find annoying that all the Democrats are engaging in cheap political theater in the House, but in the Senate what Chuck Schumer is doing...well I think you should applaud him. He, Ryan and Mitch McConnell are the ones who are going to get you to a better future. The problem is...people despise Ryan, McConnell and Schumer.

What you just said here is the way forward, not impeaching Trump or attacking him daily. The moment you give Trump voters someone and something better, an individual with an upstanding moral character and a moderate but strong message is when radicals lose.

P.S.I edited my previous post. I ask you read what I had to say in it in the second part.

[Dextroden]

lol

Conservatives are still bitching about Obama.

And liberals were bitching about Trump before he even got inaugurated.

Not doing a good job proving that superiority when you do the same shit.

[Skroe]

Republicans are thin? They had more than 3x the number of candidates for President than the Democrats did, and each of those candidates seemed to offer something different. Other than Jeb Bush

# of people =/= quality of people.

Newt Gingrich
Ben Carson
Rand Paul
Carly Fiorinia
Mike Huckabee
Rick Santorum
George Pataki
Bobby Jindal
Jeb Bush
Chris Christie

These were the people on the stage... and none of them had any business being there. They are all other old faces, or ridiculously unqualified or unelectable in one way or another. This is a deeply unhealthy bench.

This should have been a primary between

John Kasich
Marco Rubio
Ted Cruz


The three people who had any business being up there. And I think Ted Cruz is a piece of trash. Those three represent at least semi-viable options for a Republican Party... crowded out by Donald Trump and the gang of idiots and oldies.

Contrast the 2000 primary - Bush vs McCain, two people in their prime. The popular centrist Texas Governor vs the Maverick. Or the 2008 Democratic Primary - anointed figure Senator Hillary Clinton vs Senator Barack Obama. The former in the prime of her career, the latter the dynamic rising star.

The 2012 and 2016 Republican primary series have been a sham and reflect a huge leadership deficit within the party.

[Dextroden]

8 years of unconsolable anger then, gotcha.

Ah. You meant what does accepting look like, not being babies in the street.

It looks like people going to work like normal.

[Wells]

# of people =/= quality of people.

Newt Gingrich
Ben Carson
Rand Paul
Carly Fiorinia
Mike Huckabee
Rick Santorum
George Pataki
Bobby Jindal
Jeb Bush
Chris Christie

These were the people on the stage... and none of them had any business being there. They are all other old faces, or ridiculously unqualified or unelectable in one way or another. This is a deeply unhealthy bench.

This should have been a primary between

John Kasich
Marco Rubio
Ted Cruz


The three people who had any business being up there. And I think Ted Cruz is a piece of trash. Those three represent at least semi-viable options for a Republican Party... crowded out by Donald Trump and the gang of idiots and oldies.

Contrast the 2000 primary - Bush vs McCain, two people in their prime. The popular centrist Texas Governor vs the Maverick. Or the 2008 Democratic Primary - anointed figure Senator Hillary Clinton vs Senator Barack Obama. The former in the prime of her career, the latter the dynamic rising star.

The 2012 and 2016 Republican primary series have been a sham and reflect a huge leadership deficit within the party.

Cruz doesn't get enough of the credit for Trump's win. He spent months in the number two slot drafting just behind Trump without saying a word hoping he'd fall on his own.

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Ah. You meant what does accepting look like, not being babies in the street.

It looks like people going to work like normal.

So in other words you think people should stop protesting Trump and just be quiet.

[Wyrt]

Ah. You meant what does accepting look like, not being babies in the street.

It looks like people going to work like normal.

The biggest protest was on Saturday. You know, the weekend when a lot of people don't have work.

[Dextroden]

Cruz doesn't get enough of the credit for Trump's win. He spent months in the number two slot drafting just behind Trump without saying a word hoping he'd fall on his own.

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So in other words you think people should stop protesting Trump and just be quiet.

That's what people wanted to happen with Obama. The same should happen here.

Or people had no business telling people to stop protesting Obama and accept him as president. Pick one.

[Deleted]

Right now it's about 32% of Americans. You know... not about half.

I can deal with alienating 32% of Americans.

On my side we got time, demographics, distribution, technology, money, the truth, a cause, and of course, Donald Trump's fat mouth.

On your side... you have what exactly? That fucking frog that a bunch of alt-right shitstains think is hilarious? Sean Picer and Kellyanne Conway? Aging and declinging demographics?

I like our odds.

The America that the deplorables voted for is dead, and it's not coming back. That's a good thing. The world is changed for the better and THEY didn't change with it. That is THEIR failure.

32% really like Trump. The other 16% of that voted for him because he was the better alternative. It was a winning coalition.

Btw, you being able to deal with alienating 32% of our country is why we have an electoral college. That's literally the point of it, old sport. If you alienate them, you lose! So, if that's really the plan, you're going to keep losing!

Lol, on my side? Well, currently, I don't have much of a side. Guess I'm more leaning toward Trump, I suppose. Not really, though. With that being said, he definitely has the winning formula at the moment. That whole demographic argument sure has not worked in your favor, and it's not going to any time soon (or ever, honestly.) Honestly, the only way you win is by appealing to those people you're so happy to alienate. Otherwise, populists like Trump are going to keep winning. Liberals will start feeling more of the Bern, too, which is terrible for national politics.

I don't get it? What America is dead? The one where Donald Trump gets elected? Wow, it only took 2 months?!?! Oh boy, that was fast!

[Dextroden]

The biggest protest was on Saturday. You know, the weekend when a lot of people don't have work.

Then do something productive. This isn't besides giving me more hypocrisy to laugh at.

[Thepersona]

32% really like Trump. The other 16% of that voted for him because he was the better alternative. It was a winning coalition.

Btw, you being able to deal with alienating 32% of our country is why we have an electoral college. That's literally the point of it, old sport. If you alienate them, you lose! So, if that's really the plan, you're going to keep losing!

Lol, on my side? Well, currently, I don't have much of a side. Guess I'm more leaning toward Trump, I suppose. Not really, though. With that being said, he definitely has the winning formula at the moment. That whole demographic argument sure has not worked in your favor, and it's not going to any time soon (or ever, honestly.) Honestly, the only way you win is by appealing to those people you're so happy to alienate. Otherwise, populists like Trump are going to keep winning. Liberals will state feeling more of the Bern, too, which is terrible for national politics.

Approve =/= Like though

[downnola]

Cool. I already know he lost the popular vote. We are not a popular vote democracy. The electoral college is not supposed to represent popular vote, it wasn't an accident, that's on purpose.

The electoral college isn't doing it's intended job or they wouldn't have voted in a populist with no experience in governing or a shred of diplomatic skill. The "electoral college's purpose is ____." argument doesn't work anymore.

[Wyrt]

Btw, you being able to deal with alienating 32% of our country is why we have an electoral college. That's literally the point of it, old sport. If you alienate them, you lose! So, if that's really the plan, you're going to keep losing!

The fuck? You've been advocating for a shitty undemocratic system that alienates millions of voters and you're going to lecture people about alienating voters? Hypocritical much?

[Thepersona]

Then do something productive. This isn't besides giving me more hypocrisy to laugh at.

Going to a march, defending you rights is doing something productive

[Wells]

That's what people wanted to happen with Obama. The same should happen here.

Or people had no business telling people to stop protesting Obama and accept him as president. Pick one.

Yeah but it didn't. Sorry kid, if you want people to be quiet about Trump you're going to be disappointed. And your entire premise is based on Obama and Trump somehow being on equal footing. They're not, and the polling data is pretty fucking clear on that.

[Dextroden]

Approve =/= Like though

Doesn't that mean the approval rating is a load of shit then?

[Bdatik]

Then do something productive. This isn't besides giving me more hypocrisy to laugh at.

You mean do something you consider productive? Pretty sure most of those who protest consider their actions productive.

[Deleted]

The electoral college isn't doing it's intended job or they wouldn't have voted in a populist with no experience in governing or a shred of diplomatic skill. The "electoral college's purpose is ____." argument doesn't work anymore.

The electoral college's purpose isn't to keep people that have no Government experience out of the Presidency.

[Dextroden]

Yeah but it didn't. Sorry kid, if you want people to be quiet about Trump you're going to be disappointed. And your entire premise is based on Obama and Trump somehow being on equal footing. They're not, and the polling data is pretty fucking clear on that.

They both won. They are equal.

I'm sorry you fell on the same trap that is "Believing the popular vote matters".

Also, polling. Romney and Clinton polls predicted them winning. What happened to that polling data?

[Wells]

You mean do something you consider productive? Pretty sure most of those who protest consider their actions productive.

No, we Trump's opposition should definitely take cues on what they're supposed to do from a Trump supporter.

[Dextroden]

You mean do something you consider productive? Pretty sure most of those who protest consider their actions productive.

So did the Obama protesters. And we all wanted them to stop.

Man. So many hypocrites.