Will this be considered a stain in American history?

[bladeXcrasher]

You did have Nixon...so that is that.

And slavery.... and genocide.... and a civil war. So let us wait and see.

Because those are only things special to the USA?

This perceived great divide has more to do with both candidates relentless smear campaigns and the explosion of social media. I live in one of Texas' 2 liberal cities, there aren't riots or a huge divide. In fact, the biggest thing that happened was this bus departure to Washington of woman's rights activists.

[Machismo]

The Irony when it is literally the Left constantly segregating people and causing most of the non-cooperative actions.

It's like you guys have zero self-awareness.

I guess you don't see the irony in being partisan and pointing out his lack of self awareness... I love the irony.

[CostinR]

The fact that on the Democratic side, the main candidates were a 70 year old ex-first lady and public figure for 30 years, and on the Republican side the main candidates were an all-star team of crazies who said crazy things, plus Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio, just illustrates the incredible leadership deficit this country is experiencing.

The Democratic bench was looted and pillaged by Barack Obama to service his administration. It will take years to rebuild it. One of Hillary's key tasks would have been TO rebuild it.

The Republican bench has been in turmoil ever since the Bush Administration's list of failures wiped out the careers of an entire generation of Republicans, which opened the dour to the Tea Party, extremists and ultimately Donald Trump. The inmates took over the asylum because the guards said "fuck politics".

Maybe post-Donald Trump, we'll give a new look to leaders on the right and the left who aren't fossils, or nut jobs.

Wasn't John Kasich a fairly moderate reasonable guy all things considered? I mean sure a conservative but maybe in the same vein as Romney? He sure seemed like it.

[Machismo]

Ues it will be a stain on American History but not in the way that you think. It will be remembered as a time where a whole lot of "progressive" people were real butthurt because they didn't win the election and chose to ignore Democracy. It is absolutely ridiculous the way you people are reacting and you think it is going to change anything? All of those people that decided to not vote Hillary are just standing there wondering why you are trying to hurt America. Why are you trying to hurt America?

By the way, what happened was not actual democracy. If it were actual democracy, Hillary would be the president. Once again, I love the irony coming from this thread.

[Hammerfest]

Do you think 2016/2017 will be recorded as a stain in your history books?

The American Left thinks that all of American history is one big stain, starting with the founding. 2016/2017 will be no different in their eyes. The rest of us are looking at this time with measured optimism.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

I guess you don't see the irony in being partisan and pointing out his lack of self awareness... I love the irony.

The same irony of those claiming that the democratic result has to be accepted by everyone, yet were out on the streets doing violent riots yesterday?

[Machismo]

The American Left thinks that all of American history is one big stain, starting with the founding. 2016/2017 will be no different in their eyes. The rest of us are looking at this time with measured optimism.

Yes, all liberals hate America, and hate everything about it...

That's no different than when liberals say all conservatives are racist Nazis.

[Kiri]

Ues it will be a stain on American History but not in the way that you think. It will be remembered as a time where a whole lot of "progressive" people were real butthurt because they didn't win the election and chose to ignore Democracy. It is absolutely ridiculous the way you people are reacting and you think it is going to change anything? All of those people that decided to not vote Hillary are just standing there wondering why you are trying to hurt America. Why are you trying to hurt America?

The US is not a democracy.
- tons of posters here talking about how the popular vote does not matter.

[Machismo]

The same irony of those claiming that the democratic result has to be accepted by everyone, yet were out on the streets doing violent riots yesterday?

Once again, it was not actually a democratic result. The Electoral College is not democracy.

The people rioting on the streets are fucking idiots. The people who believe everything Trump says are also fucking idiots.

[Healing Rain]

The Democrat Party has been a stain on this country. It was the Democrat Party that kept slavery legal and caused the civil war. It was the Democrat Party that came up with Jim Crow laws starting segregation. It's the Democrat Party that has kept abortion legal.

The Democrat Party is a massive stain on this country that needs to go extinct.


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[CostinR]

By the way, what happened was not actual democracy. If it were actual democracy, Hillary would be the president. Once again, I love the irony coming from this thread.

Does anyone consider that the system functioned as intended to prevent the Tyranny of the majority? The majority being big city democrats, the minority being rural America.

The founding fathers of the US created a superb system of checks and balances, a system that has worked for your entire history to make the US the greatest nation on Earth and an example to the rest of us.

Maybe, just maybe the system did it's job this time around as well? Hillary was out of bounds. She was to be crowned queen by the elites: The media, Wall Street, big donors, the establishment.

That's not what the founding fathers intended: Checks and balances.

[Skaiz]

Considering that nearly every educational facility is liberal. Yes, it will be recorded that way.

[Machismo]

The Democrat Party has been a stain on this country. It was the Democrat Party that kept slavery legal and caused the civil war. It was the Democrat Party that came up with Jim Crow laws starting segregation. It's the Democrat Party that has kept abortion legal.

The Democrat Party is a massive stain on this country that needs to go extinct.

Ahhh yes, the partisanship is strong in you. Are you forgetting about the shit in voter demographics from Democrat to Republican in recent decades? Many of those southerners who fought against desegregation became Republicans. Those very same states that fought hardest for slavery and segregation... are almost all red states.

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Does anyone consider that the system functioned as intended to prevent the Tyranny of the majority? The majority being big city democrats, the minority being rural America.

The founding fathers of the US created a superb system of checks and balances, a system that has worked for your entire history to make the US the greatest nation on Earth and an example to the rest of us.

Maybe, just maybe the system did it's job this time around as well? Hillary was out of bounds. She was to be crowned queen by the elites: The media, Wall Street, big donors, the establishment.

That's not what the founding fathers intended: Checks and balances.

And that system is not democratic. What it is, is affirmative action. It's no different than placing hiring quotas for women and minorities in order to "even the playing field." Heck, it's no different than lowering standards for women who want to take part in combat roles. They clearly need extra help to be equal.

[Independent voter]

Will this be considered a stain in American history?

It depends on how Trump does. We like winners, in a lot of ways we voters are like Trump's dad.

If you mean the demonstrations? Nobody will remember those.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Once again, it was not actually a democratic result. The Electoral College is not democracy.

The people rioting on the streets are fucking idiots. The people who believe everything Trump says are also fucking idiots.

Lets take your message in two parts:

The US is a Republic Democracy. It's not a pure democracy, nor is it a pure republic. It's a mix of both. The debate over the popular vote was done many time and many time was deemed as too dangerous. Read: With technology, you'd have politicians solely focusing on reaching to as many people as possible, yet completely disregard issues that scourge small communities.

Second part:

Two wrong does not make a right. There are alt-right idiots and they got punched - which admittedly felt good to read - but outside of that, your second point isn't based in reality. Yes, Trump probably made quite a lot of lies. But sincerely, so did Obama and Bush before him. That's wrong, yes, but you can't use this as a way to excuse the prior point.

People are acting upon the basis of hysteria and catastrophe "alternative reality".

At least we agree on the fact that the people rioting on the streets are idiots. There were so many peaceful protests that it's a shame these dumbasses takes all the attention.

[Super Kami Dende]

I guess you don't see the irony in being partisan and pointing out his lack of self awareness... I love the irony.

I mean, that would make sense if I was partisan.

[Wildtree]

Hands up I am no expert in the political history of American history of Presidents so perhaps stuff like this has already occurred but from an outsider the amount of crazy happening over Trump is bewildering to me. Protests, riots and seemingly a country completely divided almost aggressively because of one man, it's awfully worrying. Do you think 2016/2017 will be recorded as a stain in your history books? I don't recall seeing as much friction regarding Clinton, Bush & Obama. I understand Presidents usually get negative attention eventually but not immediately

Since we live in different times, this isn't an exclusive American question anymore.

For once, the country claims for itself to be the leader of the free world.
And with that, it took over responsibility which some of it's citizen don't fully comprehend.

The judgement is on the World, not just the USA's society.
While the people of the US have, of course, a different fish to fry. Their domestic opinion isn't as consequential as that of the people of the World.
I dare to say, the USA drove the final nail into the coffin of its global expansion politics.
It is the beginning of the end of the old world order, and the dawn for a new one.

Three times' a charm they say...
And that's exceeded now.
If one looks at the list back, of what the conservative party had to offer, and what the voters chose. It's alarming.

Starting with Nixon.
Then came a Bush
Then came Reagan.
Another Bush
And now, we arrive at Trump.

It appears, that over the span of the last 50 years, the Republican party managed to top the crazy and outright danger portion every single time.
These guys were either outright nuts, or outright dangerous, sometimes even both.
And the current choice shows all signs to be as bat-shit crazy and as dangerous as all the others combined.

We, the rest of the World, cannot possibly trust the US anymore, as we were once able to.
That stable partner, it seems to not to exist anymore.
Or at least, it's crumbling...

[Hammerfest]

Yes, all liberals hate America, and hate everything about it...

That's no different than when liberals say all conservatives are racist Nazis.

Right, the only difference is that the American Left have demonstrated that they believe the US is an evil construct dating all the way back to the founding while Conservatives have demonstrated that they believe race should be a non-factor in American society. (The Nazis were leftists, after all.)

[Wildtree]

(The Nazis were leftists, after all.)

No, they were not.
The Soviets were leftists.

[satimy]

No, they were not.
The Soviets were leftists.

National socialism is what nazi is short for no?