Has WoW lost many subs recently?

[TheVaryag]

Just saw the clickbait title "How to unlock flying" on the Battle.net App.
It actually just tells you how to do "Pathfinder Part One".

Is Blizzard that desperate?

Pretty much.

Let's review the sub situation since last we've known the numbers:

Q3 2015: Subs held at 5.5 Mil, that's roughly a month before 6.2 kicked In, or somewhere after. Regardless roughly 13-14 months later we had the Legion pre-patch, a whole year, even more without proper content after 6.2 kicked In and Timewalking added and Mythics does not count, you do those once, finish them within a week and you're done.

That leaves a large gap betwenn any real content, now at this point, only the "Hardcore/blind fanboys/completionists/ERPers In Goldshire" would've stayed around. Regardless though, that would put the subs realiisticly at around 3 - 4 mil.

Now I've no doubt the pre-patch kicked In and many players returned to try out Legion, and right now It's been 5 months since launch, and 6 months since Legion Pre-patch and what has Legion got to show for It to attract subs and make them stay? 7.1 - a mini raid patch, continuation of the Suramar story which should've been there already and really doesn't count as new content.. and that's It?

I'm confident the subs came up to around 4 mil perhaps, but would've dropped to at least 3 mil now or even less. And while that's still a large number and larger than any MMO, you still have to realize that a large enough portion of those subs consists of the aformentioned Hardcore/fanboys/completionists/ERPErs In goldshire" demographic who will keep playing the game until It goes Into It's Death Spiral state.

Not to mention a good chunk of people are playing a certain unnamed private server rather then playing retail, as It's much more enjoyable to play that than Legion, and that population Is still going up, and potentially reach half a million If the server continues, and that's a large... large chunk of your fanbase that seems to fundumentaly disagree with how blizz Is handling the game. As I mentioned on many previous posts, you get an epic helmet for kicking nuts around for 5 minutes... while on this certain unnamed vanila wow server you work for that helmet, you go through hell and back, you get a quest to go up a mountain, defeat these mobs one by one, taking them out like an adventurer, carefully and tactically to some degree. And while It takes longer, It's more rewarding - THAT is questing, that is gearing up, not what Legion Is doing.

But alittle off topic, the subs right now I'd estimate at 2 - 3 mil right now, since It's been so long since launch and people have by now realized the repetative nature of the game and the non-existant substance It has storywise and progression wise.




That's not even mentioning their whole hype machine about "Vanila/tbc/wrath players able to return and re-experience the game they used to play" which Is total BS on one side, and on the other they're unable to help those people return, because If you followed the forums around pre-legion patch, you saw many, many players of old trying to return to WoW only to find Blizzard could not keep their accounts secure, as they were hacked, completelly deleleted due to Inactivity or otherwise. Not allowing their players to even return, because after all this time blizzard cannot keep their player accounts secure for a long period of time for some reason.

And then there's the issue of bot-users, a good enough chunk of our subs are bots sadly, but when they do these bot-ban waves they also sweep up Innocent players, who just get banned even If they never botted themselves. Myself Included who was banned unfairly, I remain Innocent to this day of what Blizzard accuses me off yet they won't return my account to me. Apparently being hacked, my account used and abused for months Is not reason enough to return It to me, the rightful owner.

In summary: Blizzard has screwed up left and right, and a private vanila wow server that will remain unnamed Is doing a better job at entertaining people progression wise, timewise, and community wise, I've never ran a more enjoyable Ragefire Chasm dungeon In 10 years. Making friends along the way, helping out my party members, making friends, talking lore and at the end of It have a good laugh. Blizzard doesn't understand the essense of what WoW used to be and what made It great, and It seems they never will. All the new flashy animations, these little tidbits added to the game eachtime while Impressive don't help the whole game that much.

WoW used to be about community, doing things together, going through this dungeon and back to get rewarded a large axe of destruction. Doing the quests that say the sad story of the land or people within It, like the Darrowshire questline, finding Mankrik's wife (har har, barrens chat), doing the questline for Morgan Ladimore and so on...

[Justpassing]

Why is this thread still open?

[Deleted]

It's obvious, that 7.2 was initially planned for summer and now it's being rushed. Conclusion?

Where do you get those infos? (Both the "initial time planned" and that it's being rushed"

[Cuppy]

Yes, Im quite sure they are diving like always after a while xpac has been out.
Flying is not the reason, but it can bring those numbers up however.

[Justpassing]

Where do you get those infos? (Both the "initial time planned" and that it's being rushed"

Dude you literally quoted a guy that calls himself "WowIsDead64". Come on man, rookie mistake.

[Deleted]

Dude you literally quoted a guy that calls himself "WowIsDead64". Come on man, rookie mistake.

K sorry

[ashblond]

I don't know if the sub drops.

All I can see is that the wow token price is dropping on EU servers. It is the 1st time since Legion launched.

I believe the token price is correlated to player subs.

[Melkorr]

"Hmm what kind of bs can I make up to create a thread to feed my constant need for attention".

Get out.

[Lochton]

Just saw the clickbait title "How to unlock flying" on the Battle.net App.
It actually just tells you how to do "Pathfinder Part One".

Is Blizzard that desperate?

Makes clickbait thread to complain about clickbait thread.

Maybe it is just a post, as they afterall can see, that some hasn't done said achievement? Besiddes, would be more desperate to talk about Pathfinder Part Two when it isn't even available yet. Slow down.

Besiddes, as for subscribers, we can't know, we can't even guess correctly. The sites that claim they know, has all shown some out of the sleeve sources and math.

[tikcol]

The click bait is real and Blizzard is indeed losing massive numbers of subscriptions.

People are leaving to play on pirate servers. It won't be long before there are more pirates than Blizzard knights

[Battlebeard]

This is a dilemma. I want blizzard to be successful so that they get more money to build a better game.

At the same time, I want them to lose both subscribers and money, Only then might they realize that Legion is a very flawed expansion. Only if their vallet start to take damage they might actually fix the game for the future and make it better.

[SirBeef]

How is that desperate?

Because grasping at straws.

[Raelbo]

We used to know. Then Blizzard got embarrassed by watching WoD numbers plummet lower then Trump and Clintons approval ratings and changed it to reporting profits only, so they can hide the fact the Titanic is sinking behind Overwatch and Hearthstone $$$

They stopped reporting on it because people didn't know how to not turn debates about it into a toxic shitfest. No company is going to keep giving out information when the result is consistently that it will be used as ammunition to trash their image.

[ItachiZaku]

I would honestly think with the release of a new raid, that the subs would have gone up recently - that patch offered a huge alt bump (the AK thing), so that and the raid... and with flying opening up in the next big patch, I don't see a problem with blizz offering some help. But really, it's not something you can't find on wowhead anyways.

And, i really need to get my ass into Suramar and get that shit going. Just need the good sum achieve for Path 1. I R Lazy and I hate that damn zone.

[SirBeef]

I don't know if the sub drops.

All I can see is that the wow token price is dropping on EU servers. It is the 1st time since Legion launched.

I believe the token price is correlated to player subs.

It correlates to the number of people paying real money for tokens vs. the number of people interested in spending gold for game time. There is no correlation to subs going up or down. It could be coincidental, but there is no cause and effect relationship there. People have always stopped playing after a certain point. In the past, up through WotLK, there have been more new and returning players to off set and surpass those leaving so sub numbers went up. There are not enough new and returning players so now we see the cycles of up with new content and less as content gets completed/stale.

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We used to know. Then Blizzard got embarrassed by watching WoD numbers plummet lower then Trump and Clintons approval ratings and changed it to reporting profits only, so they can hide the fact the Titanic is sinking behind Overwatch and Hearthstone $$$

So all the losses in Cata and MoP happened, but it wasn't until WoD that they got embarrassed? How about the fact that there was way too much vitriol and hyperbolic statements that happened with every announcement of subs they just grew tired of it. Subs went down: told you WoW is a flaming pile of garbage and everyone on the WoW team are dumb fucks that ruined it. Subs went up: bullshit, They are using some sore of false counting methods and counting free accounts as subs to inflate those numbers.

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I would honestly think with the release of a new raid, that the subs would have gone up recently - that patch offered a huge alt bump (the AK thing), so that and the raid... and with flying opening up in the next big patch, I don't see a problem with blizz offering some help. But really, it's not something you can't find on wowhead anyways.

And, i really need to get my ass into Suramar and get that shit going. Just need the good sum achieve for Path 1. I R Lazy and I hate that damn zone.

Anecdotally, I have seen more activity on my friends list in WoW since the patch dropped than I had in the previous few weeks.

[Sencha]

Why is this thread still open?

You don't like it so it should be closed?

OT: Blizzard probably noticed by now that people just play 3 months and stop. So I guess they will now really release 1 or 1.5-year expansions.

[Justpassing]

You don't like it so it should be closed?

Err no, it should be closed beacuse clickbaity shitposting is against forum rules.

And I wouldn't have to armchair moderate here if they actually did their jobs. inb4infraction

[Mawnix]

Pretty much.

Let's review the sub situation since last we've known the numbers:

Q3 2015: Subs held at 5.5 Mil, that's roughly a month before 6.2 kicked In, or somewhere after. Regardless roughly 13-14 months later we had the Legion pre-patch, a whole year, even more without proper content after 6.2 kicked In and Timewalking added and Mythics does not count, you do those once, finish them within a week and you're done.

That leaves a large gap betwenn any real content, now at this point, only the "Hardcore/blind fanboys/completionists/ERPers In Goldshire" would've stayed around. Regardless though, that would put the subs realiisticly at around 3 - 4 mil.

Now I've no doubt the pre-patch kicked In and many players returned to try out Legion, and right now It's been 5 months since launch, and 6 months since Legion Pre-patch and what has Legion got to show for It to attract subs and make them stay? 7.1 - a mini raid patch, continuation of the Suramar story which should've been there already and really doesn't count as new content.. and that's It?

I'm confident the subs came up to around 4 mil perhaps, but would've dropped to at least 3 mil now or even less. And while that's still a large number and larger than any MMO, you still have to realize that a large enough portion of those subs consists of the aformentioned Hardcore/fanboys/completionists/ERPErs In goldshire" demographic who will keep playing the game until It goes Into It's Death Spiral state.

Not to mention a good chunk of people are playing a certain unnamed private server rather then playing retail, as It's much more enjoyable to play that than Legion, and that population Is still going up, and potentially reach half a million If the server continues, and that's a large... large chunk of your fanbase that seems to fundumentaly disagree with how blizz Is handling the game. As I mentioned on many previous posts, you get an epic helmet for kicking nuts around for 5 minutes... while on this certain unnamed vanila wow server you work for that helmet, you go through hell and back, you get a quest to go up a mountain, defeat these mobs one by one, taking them out like an adventurer, carefully and tactically to some degree. And while It takes longer, It's more rewarding - THAT is questing, that is gearing up, not what Legion Is doing.

But alittle off topic, the subs right now I'd estimate at 2 - 3 mil right now, since It's been so long since launch and people have by now realized the repetative nature of the game and the non-existant substance It has storywise and progression wise.




That's not even mentioning their whole hype machine about "Vanila/tbc/wrath players able to return and re-experience the game they used to play" which Is total BS on one side, and on the other they're unable to help those people return, because If you followed the forums around pre-legion patch, you saw many, many players of old trying to return to WoW only to find Blizzard could not keep their accounts secure, as they were hacked, completelly deleleted due to Inactivity or otherwise. Not allowing their players to even return, because after all this time blizzard cannot keep their player accounts secure for a long period of time for some reason.

And then there's the issue of bot-users, a good enough chunk of our subs are bots sadly, but when they do these bot-ban waves they also sweep up Innocent players, who just get banned even If they never botted themselves. Myself Included who was banned unfairly, I remain Innocent to this day of what Blizzard accuses me off yet they won't return my account to me. Apparently being hacked, my account used and abused for months Is not reason enough to return It to me, the rightful owner.

In summary: Blizzard has screwed up left and right, and a private vanila wow server that will remain unnamed Is doing a better job at entertaining people progression wise, timewise, and community wise, I've never ran a more enjoyable Ragefire Chasm dungeon In 10 years. Making friends along the way, helping out my party members, making friends, talking lore and at the end of It have a good laugh. Blizzard doesn't understand the essense of what WoW used to be and what made It great, and It seems they never will. All the new flashy animations, these little tidbits added to the game eachtime while Impressive don't help the whole game that much.

WoW used to be about community, doing things together, going through this dungeon and back to get rewarded a large axe of destruction. Doing the quests that say the sad story of the land or people within It, like the Darrowshire questline, finding Mankrik's wife (har har, barrens chat), doing the questline for Morgan Ladimore and so on...

Wow. Someone actually took this thread seriously.

That's.. actually depressing.

[derpkitteh]

flying's probably only part of it. the people burned by it in WoD.

the rest is probably fucking overwhelming amount of shitty ass grinding you have to do in legion. ain't nobody got the patience for that shit these days, including me.

[Sencha]

Err no, it should be closed beacuse clickbaity shitposting is against forum rules.

But you still post in it. So I guess it works.