Berkley Protests over Conservative speaker erupt in flames!

[satimy]

The university is apparently claiming it was the work of paid agitators at an otherwise peaceful protest. Haha well then how inept is your security that your campus can be turned into Beirut over 150 covert agitators. The president of Berkley should resign.

[Frogguh]

Never thought I would see the day when Republicans would so openly embrace a Nazi sympathizer. Yet liberals are the evil ones here.

And yet the "Nazi sympathizers" are peaceful compared to the left. Safer with "Nazi sympathizers" than left-wingnuts, apparently.

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Never thought I would see the day when Republicans would so openly embrace a Nazi sympathizer. Yet liberals are the evil ones here.

So many bullshit here

[Ragnarocket]

I'm trying to figure out, if what he does is good or bad. At the moment, maybe bad. Long run, maybe his style is good in that it draws attention to the groups that don't want open discussion, just "You're wrong, so you don't get to speak!" Could, by poking the far left with sticks, and causing them to protest and in extreme cases riot, be what helps bring in the rational people to see what is going on around the country and question things. In essence reviving debate and public discourse?

I don't think everything he says is wrong, but he clearly likes to presents of those facts or statistics in a provocative way to illicit a response. It really makes me think of a guy in trade chat, who has a very distinct way of trolling people and even after 3 years he can say the same 3 or 4 lines and get people worked up to the point they want him to be killed or die. And the lines can be has simple has "I'm the most experience Ret pally on the server"

He's definitely trying to stir things up, but I think what he stirs up is something we shouldn't ignore. The way people react to his different opinion can be (as evidenced recently) downright violent. Exactly what is the problem with letting Milo talk to, what I imagine, a group of people who probably already lean to the right about cultural appropriation?

[Everwake]

Never thought I would see the day when Republicans would so openly embrace a Nazi sympathizer. Yet liberals are the evil ones here.

Who are you calling a Nazi sympathizer? Is it Milo, the gay man with Jewish heritage? I know you aren't taking about him, because that would prove that you know nothing about the man and have never seen his lectures.

[prwraith]

So many bullshit here

So much lack of basic understanding on your part.

[Ragnarocket]

“The media should be embarrassed and humiliated and keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while,”

Hes not wrong the media is too busy trying to push a narrative and they are missing what the people are thinking and feeling. Hes attacking them for being propaganda factories out of touch of the mainstream which they are.

Agreed. As someone who is pretty much exactly in the middle politically (fiscal conservative - socially liberal) I used to use a range of MSM for keeping up on things. I've become skeptical of much of CNN now just because they are obviously hostile to Trump. Not saying that Trump isn't the cause of some of that with his "fake news" comments but then again at this point CNN is not even trying to seem impartial about him.

[Dextroden]

I'm a bit more concerned about potentuial 1st Amendment violations from the Trump administration than a small group of idiot protesters. But hey! That's just me...

Yep. Sure. It's the people not committing violence to silence people politically to be worried about.

I guess Trump will do that after he sends the army to Mexico for those "bad hombres".

[Aussieshitposter]

Never thought I would see the day when Republicans would so openly embrace a Nazi sympathizer. Yet liberals are the evil ones here.

Again. "you know that homosexual racemixing jew? Yeah, he's a nazi."

It's going to be an entertaining 8 years

[Sforza]

Just imagine the outrage if the roles were inverted and it was antifa wimps and other leftist scum getting silenced and beaten by right wingers.

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It is ironic because first, this goes well beyond Berkeley. Second, the left is doing far more crowding-and-conquering of anyone who disagrees with their ideas than the right. (Mind you, I'm fairly center, slightly right leaning if anything, though to be fair.) I mean literally tons of government officials briefed to reject anything that comes down the pipelines from republicans just because it's from them, to the most blatant degree. Citizens across the US who won't even try to take any policy into consideration and marches every time Trump opens his mouth because it's not left Agenda. And the real sad part is, half of Trumps ideas (the extreme vetting, stronger boarder security, mass deportation) weren't just proposed, but actually done by Obama, and it was a non issue, in fact, I'm fairly sure half or more of these drones have no idea this is even the case.

It's becoming a childish game at this point. It's marked with a red pen, not a blue pen, so let's get into semantics and call it racist. It's only justified if we do it, type of attitude. It's all garbage. Hype right, deep left, they are both screwed and filled with ignorance.

And while on the subject of semantics, you can call it what ever you want, but what these crowds and left government are doing is exactly what you accused the right of doing originally, except, the left are actually being far more physically violent in the process.

First a disclaimer: I am not an US citizen, nor a resident permanent. I've just, for the past 20 years, worked with many many Americans as a US GAAP specialist/consultant for European subsidiaries of American multinationals. As such I have quite a few American friends and know even more Americans. And my job requires me to keep up with US law and thus politics.

Over here my political view would be considered socially progressive and economically conservative. In the US I would have to choose what's more important for me. I abhor the republican social agenda, economically I would prefer to vote for a libertarian candidate that stands no chance of winning. Your winner takes all system basically breeds this problem. Where I live every government is always a coalition and doing what republicans did and democrats now threaten to do is much harder. Our political parties agree on a compromise for the next period before hand, when forming the coalition.

I am aware of the extreme vetting done under Obama, I wonder if Trump supporters know as they accept the argument that the current ban is needed because the vetting needs to be increased.

I'm also very familiar with US border security, 'strangely enough' all my interactions with TSA and CBP have been pleasant and professional. They are already much more rigorous than every other country I travelled to by air.

I couldn't agree more with Trump on the deportation of illegal immigrants. If the dems are correct and the US economy relies on these immigrants then that will be clear soon enough. Then Mexicans - and others - can enter the US legally to fill these jobs. I don't support rewarding breaking of the law.

I couldn't disagree more on his attitude towards refugees. The problems he's citing with refugees simply don't exist in the USA. Europe is a different story, but that's to be expected. We have land borders and a small sea instead of an ocean separating us. Basically the same problem you have keeping illegal Mexican immigrants out.

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So much lack of basic understanding on your part.

Explain me then .

i love lefties

[Aussieshitposter]

Just imagine the outrage if the roles were inverted and it was antifa wimps and other leftist scum getting silenced and beaten by right wingers.

Mate you'd have requests for military action and gunning down of dissent...Oh wait it's the left. Continue on with protests.

if they could at least keep it peaceful I'd be ok with it.

[Ragnarocket]

First a disclaimer: I am not an US citizen, nor a resident permanent. I've just, for the past 20 years, worked with many many Americans as a US GAAP specialist/consultant for European subsidiaries of American multinationals. As such I have quite a few American friends and know even more Americans. And my job requires me to keep up with US law and thus politics.

Over here my political view would be considered socially progressive and economically conservative. In the US I would have to choose what's more important for me. I abhor the republican social agenda, economically I would prefer to vote for a libertarian candidate that stands no chance of winning. Your winner takes all system basically breeds this problem. Where I live every government is always a coalition and doing what republicans did and democrats now threaten to do is much harder. Our political parties agree on a compromise for the next period before hand, when forming the coalition.

I am aware of the extreme vetting done under Obama, I wonder if Trump supporters know as they accept the argument that the current ban is needed because the vetting needs to be increased.

I'm also very familiar with US border security, 'strangely enough' all my interactions with TSA and CBP have been pleasant and professional. They are already much more rigorous than every other country I travelled to by air.

I couldn't agree more with Trump on the deportation of illegal immigrants. If the dems are correct and the US economy relies on these immigrants then that will be clear soon enough. Then Mexicans - and others - can enter the US legally to fill these jobs. I don't support rewarding breaking of the law.

I couldn't disagree more on his attitude towards refugees. The problems he's citing with refugees simply don't exist in the USA. Europe is a different story, but that's to be expected. We have land borders and a small sea instead of an ocean separating us. Basically the same problem you have keeping illegal Mexican immigrants out.

It would be nice if we could have a better system, but yes as you've pointed out we're essentially in a winner take all situation. Trump's illegal immigrant plans are fine by me. I have no problems with saying that I think sanctuary cities are a silly concept. I have absolutely no problems with immigrants but if you want to do it, do it right. I have friends who came here legally and they dislike the idea of people essentially skipping the line in order to come into the country. I DO think that we should make the path easier in order to better accept people so that the "need" to be an illegal immigrant goes away.

And many Americans have similarly "grey" views on a lot of the issues. It's not just black or white. But the two parties have made those grey areas almost impossible to exist in.

The problem is that nowadays each side has a list of what is right and acceptable in order to be a part of that party. I was hoping this election would finally help break us of the two party system since each candidate was generally disliked...but nope...we stuck to our flawed system.

[Sorrior]

So I want ask a question of our liberal forum users

So who are the fascist again?

so lets review this so called protest more like a riot used intimidation and violence to silence someone's free speech. that sure in the hell sounds like acts of fascism to me

Called horseshoe theory but yes the left has gained fascist traits..OK alot.. But they are extreme left and not liberal in the least.

Similar to how the right has a fair number of fascists but being right does not make you fascist. Irony btw is that mainstream right wing in the US is exceedingly far right globally speaking and definitely has totalitarian/corporatist leanings to such a degree fascism is on the low end of worries their.

[Svifnymr]

He's definitely trying to stir things up, but I think what he stirs up is something we shouldn't ignore. The way people react to his different opinion can be (as evidenced recently) downright violent. Exactly what is the problem with letting Milo talk to, what I imagine, a group of people who probably already lean to the right about cultural appropriation?

Basically this, I think. Milo is hired to speak about an oppresive liberal college environment pushing it's agenda. Leave him alone (or with peaceful protests outside) and he'd have a little echo chamber talk and move on. Riot and turn violent and you just reinforce his statements.

[Sorrior]

He's definitely trying to stir things up, but I think what he stirs up is something we shouldn't ignore. The way people react to his different opinion can be (as evidenced recently) downright violent. Exactly what is the problem with letting Milo talk to, what I imagine, a group of people who probably already lean to the right about cultural appropriation?

This is one reason Hillary lost imo. The left encouraged by some and yes this includes Hillary has such a sense of moral superiority it borders on crusader levels of can do no wrong while raping abd pillaging in "the lords name" creating a situation where they cannot even fathom they could be wrong or morality is not universal. The egocentric here will kill the left just as it has cursed the right.

The issue is the right had to take humble pie for years and still hasn't fully realized it nor has America's left. If anything both sides are becoming more abd more galvanized against their enemies while ignoring clear real dangers such as growing corporate favoritism and how we live in what js essential an oligarchy and are bordering on some kind of neo feudalism.

Buut the right has to stop the dangers of gay marriage, Muslims, Mexicans and women's rights while the left must enforce their superior morality and instruct the world in how to treat women.

Irony is i actually believe in alot of left wing policies and feel bernie was our best bet. I just am actually liberal and will support freedom of speech even if I hate it. But the left has become as bad as the right and in some ways worse(others better) and unless something changes(and not sure we have time) I feel shit will go down the drain faster then and I quote venture brothers here "an unwanted pregnancy on prom night"

[satimy]

Who would have thought it would be liberals burning down shit and being violent o prevent a gay man from speaking. Anno Domini 2017

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Basically this, I think. Milo is hired to speak about an oppresive liberal college environment pushing it's agenda. Leave him alone (or with peaceful protests outside) and he'd have a little echo chamber talk and move on. Riot and turn violent and you just reinforce his statements.

Or better yet go ask him questions and engage with him.

[Svifnymr]

Where I live every government is always a coalition and doing what republicans did and democrats now threaten to do is much harder. Our political parties agree on a compromise for the next period before hand, when forming the coalition.

A coalition could work since you'd tend to have more moderates vs the extremes we see. It's less about representing the opinions of folks and more about rallying your extreme voters. There's also a bit of generational perception I imagine. I started paying attention to politics during Clinton's term. I saw Republicans fighting for specific reasons and I saw that opposition being labeled by Hillary and other regular politicians as "partisan politics" rather than issue based. When Bush took over, the democrats then began blocking everything they could along party lines, usually having nothing to do with actual issues. When Obama took over, the republicans took up that mantle when they got a chance to. Now Trump is here, with some crazy ideas, but the democrats have just said "no negotiating, block everything!".

I couldn't agree more with Trump on the deportation of illegal immigrants. If the dems are correct and the US economy relies on these immigrants then that will be clear soon enough. Then Mexicans - and others - can enter the US legally to fill these jobs. I don't support rewarding breaking of the law.

I couldn't disagree more on his attitude towards refugees. The problems he's citing with refugees simply don't exist in the USA. Europe is a different story, but that's to be expected. We have land borders and a small sea instead of an ocean separating us. Basically the same problem you have keeping illegal Mexican immigrants out.

I believe legal immigration should be a lot easier. Working is fine, but I don't think it should be linked to citizenship or welfare benefits though. I also believe we should be tougher with illegal immigrants. For refugees, I think there is an issue with adding to urban centers and a tendency to form isolated communities, but I'm also of a mind that the lengthy refugee process and transportation should generally preclude the USA from being involved. The money would be better spent building up an infrastructure more local to the actual source of refugees. I mean, spending 2 years to approve and then fly someone from the middle east seems counterproductive vs setting something up with one of their neighbors.

[Ragnarocket]

Who would have thought it would be liberals burning down shit and being violent o prevent a gay man from speaking. Anno Domini 2017

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Or better yet go ask him questions and engage with him.

Definitely the best option here. From the little bit I've seen Milo DOES encourage debates. He does seek to push a person to come up with arguments. That said, the moment the other side starts using arguments like "You're a Trump supporter!" or "You're a Nazi!" then he starts belittling them in front of the audience.

However, as long as the arguments are at least well-reasoned and thought out I've noticed he's more than willing to engage in the debate. That's something that I'd like to see more of.