Oklahoma : Women who want an abortion face needing the father’s written consent

[Tennis]

http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/07/women-...nsent-6432247/

Women who want an abortion face requiring the written informed consent of the father, in a disturbing new bill put forward in Oklahoma.

The ‘spousal consent’ bill states that as well as consent, women must name the father in writing, and he is allowed to demand a paternity test.

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It is one of a dozen bills put forward by the American state’s legislators that all target abortion access and has already been labelled unconstitutional.

If the bill becomes law the only exceptions are if the father is dead – although the woman needs to prove that – if her life is in danger, or the pregnancy comes about as a result of rape or incest.

‘In no other area of law are competent adults required to seek permission from others in order to receive their medical care,’ Bonyen Lee-Gilmore, Director of Communications at Planned Parenthood Great Plains told Jezebel.

We’re seeing this because the vocal minority and the extremist lawmakers continue to attempt to shame and stigmatize patients who are exercising their constitutional right to a safe and legal abortion.”

‘It’s really important to note that this bill does nothing, and says nothing, about preventing unintended pregnancies,” she added.

‘If the true desire is to stop abortion from happening, then [legislators] need to be focusing their efforts on access and prevention.’

The bill, that was sponsored by Republican Justin Humphrey, follows the passing of a new law in Arkansas that would reportedly see allow rapists to sue if their victims try to have an abortion.

Arkansas representative Andy Mayberry, who co-signed Arkansas Act 45, told the Daily Beast that while the father of the foetus would be able to block the procedure, they would not be able to claim any monetary damages in rape or incest cases.

‘There is zero part of me that understands why a rapist or someone who got pregnant against their will, maybe incest, would have any right in that decision,’ Karen Musick, co-founder of Arkansas’s Abortion Support Network said.
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It seems like many of these states are pushing back against abortion. I wonder if the trend will continue to spread elsewhere.

[Deleted]

While I applaud the sudden idea of Father's rights, this is the opposite direction, the Father should be allowed to simply GTFO of the ordeal, not able to force it forward.

[Wyrt]

What the fuck is wrong with Republicans and why do they hate women so much? Women are not property.

[shrunken]

I think we can all agree that it's good these fathers are being consulted. Parenthood is an equal partnership.

[Mistame]

While I applaud the sudden idea of Father's rights, this is the opposite direction, the Father should be allowed to simply GTFO of the ordeal, not able to force it forward.

Pretty much. As much as I support the notion of fathers having more options, needing their "permission" for an abortion is a violation of the mother's rights and bodily autonomy.

Regardless of the true motivations, they don't seem to have even dressed it up with any sort of legitimate aim this time. Really, what exactly is supposed to be gained by demanding the father be named and allowed a paternity test? It's not as though he'll have fetal support checks to pay.

I agree that it's pointless in the case of an abortion, though outside of that the biological parents of every child should be proven and recorded.

[Kujako]

I think we can all agree that it's good these fathers are being consulted. Parenthood is an equal partnership.

Which is why the father is pregnant for four and a half months! Or is this a strange new use of the term "equal"?

[shrunken]

Which is why the father is pregnant for four and a half months! Or is this a strange new use of the term "equal"?

Please don't derail the thread.

[McFuu]

While this may seem like a push for father's rights, it's a push in the wrong direction. I don't think southern religious law makers are willing to put forward the bills that would level the playing field. IE: the father doesn't want the child but the woman chooses to keep it. Because that too goes against religious beliefs.

[Deleted]

I think we can all agree that it's good these fathers are being consulted. Parenthood is an equal partnership.

And what with the cases where the woman gets pregnant and the father does not want to have contact with her anymore? This regulation is beyond stupid, it's malevolent towards women. Some cell clusters should not matter as much as a living individuum.

[Mistame]

While this may seem like a push for father's rights, it's a push in the wrong direction. I don't think southern religious law makers are willing to put forward the bills that would level the playing field. IE: the father doesn't want the child but the woman chooses to keep it. Because that too goes against religious beliefs.

Seriously, religion needs to get the fuck out of social policy.

[Vanyali]

While this may seem like a push for father's rights, it's a push in the wrong direction. I don't think southern religious law makers are willing to put forward the bills that would level the playing field. IE: the father doesn't want the child but the woman chooses to keep it. Because that too goes against religious beliefs.

It's not even against religious beliefs, it's that the state then has to pay for a bunch of kids because what parent WOULDN'T say "nah, don't want this kid, shouldn't have to pay for it" and free themselves of any and all financial responsibility when given a free choice for it? Shit, you could do that and still have visitation, literally allowing you to get off scot-free while everyone else picks up your bill.

It's funny though, most people that advocate for "everyone else pay for my kid!" are the ones screeching about how taxes are theft, and they don't want to pay for someone else's healthcare.

[Vinictus]

What the fuck is wrong with Republicans and why do they hate women so much? Women are not property.

Same logic can apply to the following statement:

What the F is wrong with liberals and why are they so bloodthirsty to kill unborn humans? A foetus will be a functioning member of society one day.

[Moon-Man]

http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/07/women-...nsent-6432247/



It seems like many of these states are pushing back against abortion. I wonder if the trend will continue to spread elsewhere.

Finally something good for fathers.

[Jotaux]

So just name some random dude as the father and get his consent.

[Deleted]

Which is why the father is pregnant for four and a half months! Or is this a strange new use of the term "equal"?

Father rights have long been flung completely out the window since like 1880ies because people assume the child is entirely the right of the mother. Ironically, we then invented child support, and then despite the father having no legal rights to the child, he is legally bound to pay for it.

Despite being constantly crushed by Feminists, this idea is gaining traction, Men are shackled to childbirth by what is basically fiscal slavery, and in some countries can't even ask for Paternal tests.

What the OP suggests is wrong, but suggested a woman has the right to control a mans fiscal future for 18 years simply because of what grows in her vajayjay is utterly stupid and sexist.

[LaserChild9]

While I applaud the sudden idea of Father's rights, this is the opposite direction, the Father should be allowed to simply GTFO of the ordeal, not able to force it forward.

Exactly this, nobody should be able to force a woman to give birth to a child she does not want.

[Kujako]

Father rights have long been flung completely out the window since like 1880ies because people assume the child is entirely the right of the mother. Ironically, we then invented child support, and then despite the father having no legal rights to the child, he is legally bound to pay for it.

Despite being constantly crushed by Feminists, this idea is gaining traction, Men are shackled to childbirth by what is basically fiscal slavery, and in some countries can't even ask for Paternal tests.

What the OP suggests is wrong, but suggested a woman has the right to control a mans fiscal future for 18 years simply because of what grows in her vajayjay is utterly stupid and sexist.

Unrelated subject. The subject at hand is like saying you need my permission to get a penicillin shot after I give you a VD.

[Wyrt]

Same logic can apply to the following statement:

What the F is wrong with liberals and why are they so bloodthirsty to kill unborn humans? A foetus will be a functioning member of society one day.

Women have a right to bodily autonomy.

[Jotaux]

It's funny though, most people that advocate for "everyone else pay for my kid!" are the ones screeching about how taxes are theft, and they don't want to pay for someone else's healthcare.

For myself, I think that a father should have the option to opt out before the period where an abortion is no longer permissible but I am fine with the taxes I pay and healthcare provided here in Canada for the most part. Of course, I would also love to be a father and would not opt out anyways.

[alexw]

Same logic can apply to the following statement:

What the F is wrong with liberals and why are they so bloodthirsty to kill unborn humans? A foetus will be a functioning member of society one day.

Lol. A foetus is biologically no different than a blood clot or any other clump of cells. It has no thoughts feelings or desires. Its just a clump of cells.

And no a foetus will not be a functioning member of society. Take a foetus and dump it in a jar and it has as much chance of becoming a functioning member of society as the aforesaid blood clot.