As any can see, this thread quickly became a religious discussion. Perhaps the time has come to put a lock on this and move on.
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We should wait until people die and then ban people from the perpetrator's country of origin. Being proactive is a right-wing racist policy.
Being ineffective is the right wing policy. Tell me why they didn't includ the countries from which there were actual successful terrorists?
Since white American males are a bigger terrorist threat, being proactive would mean we ban them instead. Are you okay with that?
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Oh, ok, you're just making stuff up. Or if you aren't you're actually surprised that they're defending themselves? You are arrogant and pretty deluded. "They didn't ageee with my twisted reasoning, therefore they are wrong". You're sounding like an extremist more and more with each post. Maybe we should ban you from the country.
Lastly, regarding their refusal to assimilate:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/dona...im-integration
Last edited by Noxx79; 2017-02-12 at 08:37 PM.
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They're only a bigger threat because there's a metric shitload more of them here. If we had that same amount of Muslim men here then Americans would be astronomically more likely to be killed by a Muslim man than a white man. However, this is beside the point because I am not in favor of placing a temporary hiatus (it's not a ban) on citizens who are already here, whether they be white or Muslim. I am merely in favor of proactive measures to prevent the acceptance of those who are the antithesis of western enlightenment ideals. I also agree with you that more countries should be added to the temporary hiatus (it's not a ban) and I do not understand why those countries you mentioned were not included considering they have been shown to produce actual terrorists.
Last edited by Northy; 2017-02-12 at 08:39 PM.
If yo think about it REALLY hard, you might come up with an answer.
Hint: it has to do with the fact that most of your post is the result of swallowing up propaganda like it's water.
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First answer:
Second Answer: And that it's not a big a threat as they are trying to make you believe.
so those crazy-ass Muslims that spent their free time watching 'how to build a bomb in 10 steps' videos online (because obviously that's what you do if you're Muslim everyone knows this, Buddists do that 'yamah,yamah,yamah' sound and muslims built bombs) are not welcome in the US due to not being compatible with it's values
and who determines the said US values?
white supremacists and the alt right? anti-vaccine/anti-expert/anti-climate change morons? the folks that want to bomb Agrabah? random racist losers that think they're 30 jobless and virgins because the mexicans stole all the jobs and raped all the women till they became liberal lesbian feminists? Hypocrites that refuse to pay taxes for healthcare and try to wash away their immorality with crosses and the bible? conspiracy theorists? the KKK? the idiots of NRA?
because the sane west would never condone such crazy policies like having a 'list of banned countries', this is a Trump world first, no other leader would even think of something like this and his own's country's institutions will keep him in check, that's how check and balances work to make sure that one crazy leader cannot run the country to the ground
and to not get carried away too far, ever heard that country of origin is one thing and religion another?
Last edited by Cyanu; 2017-02-12 at 08:45 PM.
How nice, this thread turned into a "Sharia law is bad" and yet the ban doesn't affect the biggest perpetrator of Sharia law, Saudi Arabia.
Add the Québec mosque shooter to that, and Anders Brejvik for instance. Not motivated by religion per se, but Western terrorists nevertheless.
Also, something people need to recognize is that faith alone never explains this sort of political violence. The conflicts in the Middle East are religious in nature, but also very much based on political tug-of-wars between nations, especially Iran and Saudi Arabia among others. ISIS is a bit of an oddball in that it's an even more overt theocracy, but even then information based on what they actually do in their lands seems to indicate they're as debased and corrupt as any power-hungry conqueror is, and aren't drive by any sort of religious purity (not that they would be any better if so, but still).
Doesn't mean that there needs to be no caution about immigrants and refugees coming from this region, but caution and fear are not the same thing at all. Caution is a reasonable attitude that invites prudent policies (such as the strenuous vetting measures that already exist and take a year+ to go through) and fear is unreasonable and only promotes hostility from both sides, fanning the flames of war even further.
Islam is only part of the problem of radical Islam. And let's not act as if the Middle East is the only place rife with political violence. Not when the US's southern neightboor sees tens of thousands dead because of something as mundane as drugs and money.
Another fun fact: the total death toll of radical Islam, and everything associated with it, is still probably much lesser than that of a strikingly similar conflict in China, caused, among other things, by Christian extremism. Feast your eyes on the Taiping Rebellion. Violence is not the monopoly of any religion.
The idea that zero terrorists came from any of those seven countries struck me as completely absurd at the time, but without some major attack to point to, I was forced to relinquish the point.
Still doesn't change the fact that preemptively setting in place a temporary travel ban from seven countries identified as sources of terrorism, until a new vetting process could be implemented, made sense to some degree. And that's if there really were zero terrorists coming in specifically from those countries.
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Fact that the lists biggest offenders are NATURAL BORN CITIZENS....by a multiple of 50+.....says we have more to worry about the people who are born here then the people we are letting in.
btw, zero attacks on abortion clinics are listed on this paper.
great how we don't call that terrorism when it has to do with religion and political stances.