Flynnghazi: Justice Dept. warned WH that advisor vunlnerable to blackmail.

[A dot Ham]

I'm not a mod in these forums, and I make an effort to try not to bait anyone. Unless asking for evidence/sauce for something is "baiting"?

So what does that mean? You only maintain decorum in your own forum? Anywhere you get to behave like a happy a troll and get a pass because of your mod tag?

Double standard?

Call me crazy but if you're going to be a moderator, your posts should be of a higher caliber, and stand up against scrutiny... you and a few others I won't name (though I'm sure they'll show their faces soon) don't live up to expectations.

[Edge-]

So what does that mean? You only maintain decorum in your own forum? Anywhere you get to behave like a happy a troll and get a pass because of your mod tag?

Double standard?

Call me crazy but if you're going to be a moderator, your posts should be of a higher caliber, and stand up against scrutiny... you and a few others I won't name (though I'm sure they'll show their faces soon) don't live up to expectations.

No, it means I have nothing to do with the moderation in this forum. I don't infract anyone or do anything else, for all intents and purposes I'm a regular poster in these parts.

Though really, is asking for someone to provide some evidence such a "terrible" thing? Is it against "decorum", as you say? Because I'm unfamiliar with any rules against it here, or why anyone would find it unreasonable in the slightest.

[Endus]

Drop the moderation discussion. It's not allowed here, since it only derails threads into complaining that moderation exists.

[Pipebomb]

Wasn't PizzaGate laughably false? Like, only someone both crazy and a moron would think it was true?

Sry for being off-topic. Hope I don't break the rules here but.



This is the owner of 2 of the 3 pizzashops who was just investigated.
https://manchesterinklink.com/state-...me-businesses/

It's a financial investigation and has nothing to do with trafficking though. All I can say is Al Capone went down for tax evasion. There are still rumors that pizzagate's real and arrests are starting to be made.

For ex.) (Sorry I'm too lazy to post links, google it yourself)

Detroit: 2 Children Saved, 22 People Arrested for Human Trafficking

Jeffrey Sandusky: Charged with Sexually Abusing Two Teenage Sisters

Jerry Sandusky: Penn State Scandal

California: 474 Arrested in California Human Trafficking Stings

Super Bowl Arrest: 522 Arrested

Memphis: 42 Arrested in TBI Human Trafficking Sting Operation

Norway: 20 Men Arrested in Norwegian Pedophile Network Probe

Toronto: Almost 350 Adults Arrested (400 Children Rescued) In Canadian International Child Pornography Bust

Ghana: 18 Children Rescued From Slavery on Volta Lake

Haiti: Haiti Police Rescue Dozens, Arrest 12 in Human Trafficking Ring

Philly: Five Arrested In Pennsylvania Fetish-Themed Child Predator Sex Ring

Japan: Japan Arrests Six Over Child Pornography, At Least 168 Boys Abused

Nationwide [may be repetitive]: FBI Nationwide Sex Trafficking Bust Results in Rescue of 82 Minors

Ottowa: 25 Charged In Human Trafficking Bust (16 Freed Working in the sex trade as a minor)

infracted - forbidden topics

[Noxx79]

Sry for being off-topic. Hope I don't break the rules here but.



This is the owner of the 3 pizzashops who was just investigated.
https://manchesterinklink.com/state-...me-businesses/

It's a financial investigation and has nothing to do with trafficking though. All I can say is Al Capone went down for tax evasion. There are still rumors that pizzagate's real and arrests are starting to be made.

For ex.) (Sorry I'm too lazy to post links, google it yourself)

Detroit: 2 Children Saved, 22 People Arrested for Human Trafficking

Jeffrey Sandusky: Charged with Sexually Abusing Two Teenage Sisters

Jerry Sandusky: Penn State Scandal

California: 474 Arrested in California Human Trafficking Stings

Super Bowl Arrest: 522 Arrested

Memphis: 42 Arrested in TBI Human Trafficking Sting Operation

Norway: 20 Men Arrested in Norwegian Pedophile Network Probe

Toronto: Almost 350 Adults Arrested (400 Children Rescued) In Canadian International Child Pornography Bust

Ghana: 18 Children Rescued From Slavery on Volta Lake

Haiti: Haiti Police Rescue Dozens, Arrest 12 in Human Trafficking Ring

Philly: Five Arrested In Pennsylvania Fetish-Themed Child Predator Sex Ring

Japan: Japan Arrests Six Over Child Pornography, At Least 168 Boys Abused

Nationwide [may be repetitive]: FBI Nationwide Sex Trafficking Bust Results in Rescue of 82 Minors

Ottowa: 25 Charged In Human Trafficking Bust (16 Freed Working in the sex trade as a minor)

So because child predators exist, this guy must be guilty?

[A dot Ham]

No, it means I have nothing to do with the moderation in this forum. I don't infract anyone or do anything else, for all intents and purposes I'm a regular poster in these parts.

Though really, is asking for someone to provide some evidence such a "terrible" thing? Is it against "decorum", as you say? Because I'm unfamiliar with any rules against it here, or why anyone would find it unreasonable in the slightest.

As you say we're getting way off topic now.

But if liberal has attempts to cast doubt on the validity of the statement, and then also questions the validity of the sources... well that's just good practice.

But if a conservative pulls the exact same move, they are labeled a conspiracy theorist and a troll.

The dichotomy that exists here is blatantly apparent.

[Poopymonster]

Hey! The possibility of intelligent life in a universe this big is worth believing in IMO. Believing a dangerous idiot is going to restore America to a 'Leave It To Beaver' greatness that was mostly just a TV myth, is insulting to the believability of alien life

You mean this America?

[Yvaelle]

You mean this America?

Nailed it

[Poopymonster]

CIA Black-ops. Jeffrey Epstein uses pedophilia to extort, bribe, manipulate politicians.

#allopsmatter

[maomoa]

Look at the way he turns to the camera. Think about all the issues floating around. Listen to his words about a reward and how he discards the "by our press" as an afterthought. Flynn was just the start. 32 secs.

[Breccia]

http://truthfeed.com/video-pathetic-...otester/35030/

Hah hah, TruthFeed.

If you care to google "CNN Cameraman poses as protester" you will find many articles exposing the ruse

Yeah, like InfoWars? Does wearing an earpiece make you ugly and crazy, like birth control? Let's see, Reddit, Twitter, nothing, nothing...ah here we go. Turns out, John Grkovic was a freelance cameraman who has never worked directly for CNN.

Oh, you don't trust mashable as a source? Funny, I don't trust TruthFeed. So I guess we're at an impasse.

[DeadmanWalking]

Can we get back to discussing how Trump is going to go down in a blaze of glory once the first insider gets charged with a crime and turns into a witness to avoid getting their pastey ass raped in a federal prison and stop pretending we are a victim of moderators and then saying, "I know this might get me infracted but here goes nothing!"

Chasing down moderators to prove you were in the right is about as brilliant as riding the bumper of a cop car because you don't like driving slow.

[Cthulhu 2020]

http://truthfeed.com/video-pathetic-...otester/35030/

Was being fed the dialogue through his earpiece. How hard would it have been to actually interview a real protester?

Then you have Fox... which wow... even for a republican that's pretty hard to stomach sometimes.

Bottom line even if it was simply the media pressing their own bias it would be difficult, it becomes something entirely different when both sides are presenting half truths and information taken out of context.

I mean seriously Trump is a world class fucktard, it doesn't really matter what end of the spectrum you're on we can agree on that. So just report the facts and he'll still come across as an incompetent dictator... no embellishment necessary.

Thanks for proving my point, lol.

Conspiracy theorists always believe themselves to be enlightened above the unwashed masses. Then they hand you pamphlets that say the world is ending as proof the world is ending. "SEE IT'S TRUE, THIS PAMPHLET SAYS SO!"

I'd say "Don't believe everything you read online", but you seem to have that part down just fine. The part you seem to be having trouble with is the part where you SHOULD believe stuff that is verifiably true, but instead choose to believe conspiracies because they fit the world view you want to believe is real. And thus you come up with silly statements like "You have to be a conspiracy theorist to get the truth". You should probably reevaluate what you believe is true, if you think being a proud conspiracy theorist is the only way to get the truth.

[Glorious Leader]

As you say we're getting way off topic now.

But if liberal has attempts to cast doubt on the validity of the statement, and then also questions the validity of the sources... well that's just good practice.

But if a conservative pulls the exact same move, they are labeled a conspiracy theorist and a troll.

The dichotomy that exists here is blatantly apparent.

At some point you have to live in an shared objective reality. Their was a dude in another post who suggested that Infowars was REAL news. K. Infowars. Alex jones went on a rant about chemicals in the water turning frogs gay. That's real news folks.

You know theirs a funny irony about this fake news bullshit. It's actually very post modern. Extremely so. In the sense that it denies any objective verifiable shared reality. Because if you try to report on something well it's fake news and your biased. So you can't get a grip on whats real and what's not. It's this insane gas lighting that EVERYONE is being subjected to. It's exactly what the left gets criticized for, the "regressive left" for being to post modern. People like foucault and derrida who sought to use post structuralism to undermine established narratives but become pop figures so everyone "leftist" could then deconstruct any text to essentially have no meaning. Foucault rejected objective truth. The charge "fake news" essentially does the same thing. For those who accept it, it robs the media of the power to portray any sense of shared objective reality. It's quite stunning to see the alt right embrace this.

[Sharkconas]

Thanks for proving my point, lol.

Conspiracy theorists always believe themselves to be enlightened above the unwashed masses. Then they hand you pamphlets that say the world is ending as proof the world is ending. "SEE IT'S TRUE, THIS PAMPHLET SAYS SO!"

I'd say "Don't believe everything you read online", but you seem to have that part down just fine. The part you seem to be having trouble with is the part where you SHOULD believe stuff that is verifiably true, but instead choose to believe conspiracies because they fit the world view you want to believe is real. And thus you come up with silly statements like "You have to be a conspiracy theorist to get the truth". You should probably reevaluate what you believe is true, if you think being a proud conspiracy theorist is the only way to get the truth.

I agree 100% with this statement but the thing that bothers me the most is actually having people in my life that act like this. The drop in mental reasoning tools of some partisans this election has reached all time high. People have become partisan conspiracy nuts and its really affecting us all on a personal level.

[Orbitus]

@Edge- Oh, I didn't know you were a moderator. Did you just bait me into getting my first infraction for posting "conspiracy theories"? It's just discussing news articles and wikileaks...

No, he didn't bait you. You did it yourself. Not really smart of you.

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If you post anything remotely conservative, you'll quickly find yourself on the wrong end of a ban hammer. Keep it light and jovial and you won't ruffle too many feathers. Don't you dare get serious though... and don't expect a super mod to come to your rescue, because while they are supposed to keep each other in check, they are a tight knit liberal brotherhood, think police force (they never turn on their own). If they give you too much shit, contact the webmaster... he'll set em straight.

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Sinister? Hardly... they just wanted something more scripted and more eloquent than the riff-raff present at this and all "protests". Its just not news. At best it is an undisclosed "reenactment" of the events on which they are reporting, at its worse it is blatant lies pushing the liberal agenda. Either way its a display of dishonesty, and they have proven themselves untrustworthy, anything from here on out will suspect.

Talk about fucking victim complex. Go back to your corner.

[Pipebomb]

At some point you have to live in an shared objective reality. Their was a dude in another post who suggested that Infowars was REAL news. K. Infowars. Alex jones went on a rant about chemicals in the water turning frogs gay. That's real news folks.

That's actually true, he was talking about atrazine.
https://www.democracynow.org/2014/2/...yrone_hayes_on

[Skroe]

Lat night you made a post asking for Europe's spooks to chime in..... well it looks like they already are.......

We are now in the unprecedented situation of having Europe spying on the US president.




What are the odds its our closest ally the Brits?

From what I've read around the internet on this topic from the media, it would be easier to list the countries NOT doing this sort of thing than the countires that ARE doing it.

The US is the facilitator of regional security balances across the entire planet. Even the risk of us going flimsy on those commitments, which hasn't happened yet and almost certainly won't, is enough of a risk for our allies to want to get to the bottom of what is going on with Trump and Russia. In some country's case, like the Baltics, the risk could be existential.

The worst part about this, with our allies spying on the US (and let's be clear, that is exactly what is happening), in a more "aggressive" sense than mere double-checking of how truthful we are to them (which is normal spying), going back to the status quo ante post-Trump, will take years. Thanks for the self inflicted wound on Western unity, American deplorables.

Impossible to reset post-Trump? No not at all. But it's going to take years and time is not on the West's side with a China that is rising and a revanchist Russia seemingly intent on burning the world down as it declines.

[Surfd]

Can we get back to discussing how Trump is going to go down in a blaze of glory once the first insider gets charged with a crime and turns into a witness to avoid getting their pastey ass raped in a federal prison and stop pretending we are a victim of moderators and then saying, "I know this might get me infracted but here goes nothing!"

Chasing down moderators to prove you were in the right is about as brilliant as riding the bumper of a cop car because you don't like driving slow.

It probably wont be long until things go full nuclear meltdown over there. The Trump administration literally just declared war on the Intelligence Community. I mean, I knew they were stupid, I just didn't realize that they had been digging straight down headed for China trying to set new records for how far down the stupid goes.

I think out of all the Alphabet Soup agencies you could possibly piss off, the very last ones a standing administration would want to go head to head with are the FBI, CIA and NSA. And Trump basically threw the gauntlet at all of them at the same time.

The last two agencies there pretty much exist with a mandate to topple foreign Regimes and dig up very nasty shit about people. There is a very good chance that anyone even remotely associated with the Trump presidency may find themselves literally buried under a mountain of closet skeletons within the next few weeks.

[Skroe]

To a non-US observer, it looks odd that the NSA was/is investigating their own boss. The FBI, who arguably put Trump in power, also seems questionable as a "guardian of the guardians".

It's a fascinating constitutional study. Presumably, as Trump tightens his grip on the offices of state, replacing the Obama remnants with stooges, it will become harder and harder to hold him to account. The acting AG who reported concerns over Flynn to the White House already sacked. Trump is now focusing his ire (well, tweets) on the intelligence community who leak news of the wrong-doing, rather than the wrong-doing itself. Couple that with Trump's attempts to discredit the media and you wonder what checks and balances there will be in 4 years time.

I under-estimated the threat Trump poses to the US. Before the election, I thought he was just an odious narcissistic blowhard. But he's actually much worse. He's a bona fide threat to democracy.

This is a very interesting post. I'd like to elaborate on a few points.

One thing you may hear from American posters is how the US has three-equal branches of government. That is a statement about the way things are in a sense, but that was not the intent of the Founders. The Founders intended three seperate branches, but Congress to be more powerful than the other two. The Constitution and Bill of Rights assign specific responsibilities to the President / Executive Branch, declares that the Supreme Court / Judicial Branch exists with some general implied powers for it, but is mostly concerned with constraining the potentially vast powers of Congress. As every American schoolboy who takes US History knows, the concept of Judicial Review was formalized during Marbury v. Madison, probably the most important Supreme Court case ever, in 1803. The growth in the President's power accumulated over centuries. Prior to Lincoln it was weak. It was weak after Lincoln as well, but grew over the course of the 20th century into what some call the "Imperial Presidency".

That name is a bit of an exaggeration though, because the President is only able to do (1) what is constitutional and (2) what congress has empowered it to do. An example I like to give with regards to (1) and (2) together is the Line Item Veto. Congress in the mid 1990s legislated the Line Item Veto, which empowered the president to cancel specific parts of bills put before him (usually spending bills). This would allow the President to edit any law or bill AFTER congress has voted on it. The Supreme Court found this to be hugely unconstitutional and struck it down. But it was in effect, Congress assigning over to the President powers that Congress was allocated - over what goes into laws and what doesn't.

Another example I like to give, specifically of (2) is with NASA and Obama. The NASA plans in place today, and in place since 2010, are basically nothing that Obama wanted for NASA. Without going into details, he had one vision (in my opinion, a really bad one), and put forward funding requests reflecting that agenda. Congress strenuously disagreed, and in a bipartisan fashion passed budgets that reflected THEIR agenda for NASA (which I believe is much better) and wrote into law what NASA MUST do. And as a result Obama's NASA Administrator was forced to Administrate an agency whose goals and programs were radically different than what his boss (the President's) intentions were. So every year, Obama would put up a NASA budget request, and every year Congress would basically ignore it, and every year the Obama Administration would denounce Congress, and every year Congress would reply "tough luck".

So in a sense, while powerful the President of the United States is also very weak. He can only do what Congress allows him to do in most regards, particularly when it comes to spending money (which is at the root of all policy in the US). While within the NSA and intelligence community at-large, he is "their boss" in a sense of being the "Super-Administrator of the Executive Branch", their structure, their funding, and the powers are all bestowed upon them by Congress. If tomorrow, Congress passed via a veto-proof majority a law that turned the NSA into a banch of government that made Ketchup, there wouldn't be a damn thing the President can do about it. More seriously, what the NSA does and who it answers to - it's boss is the President, but its oversight is congressional - can only be delinated, ultimately, by Congress. Trump can't tell them "you're not allowed to spy on Russia anymore", for example, because Congress has chartered them to do exactly that, and reflected that via spending bills.

This is something Obama, and other Presidents, discover and comment on once out of office. As President, in some areas their power is truly vast. But in many of the most crucial areas, they're entirely bound to do what Congress tells them to do.