Tier 20 Set Bonusses - Rogue

[whathump]

People who switched from Outlaw to Sin for numbers, and want to re-switch on Outlaw because of the T20 set only ARE NOT genuine Outlaw players !

We don't want you, stay Sin !

i feel sometimes like i'm the only person who says ass instead of sin

ass just sounds so much better

[RobertoCarlos]

I just hope Sub doesn't take over assassin. Really do not what to play that horrid beta spec mess. To the point I'll bench my rogue if everyone is going sub.

I do worry a bit about assassin, normally don't get two tiers in the sun. One of the new traits is a defensive we didnt really need and the 2set is garbage.

[elfporn]

i feel sometimes like i'm the only person who says ass instead of sin

ass just sounds so much better

you're not the only one who says ass. Saying ass just expresses the way i feel about the spec right now.

Perhaps a shorter kingsbane cd will help alleviate the tediousness from SoT cycling.. I will definitely be trying out an alacrity/dp build too.

[ymirsson]

and for that the argument is moot anyway, obviously it's about cutting edge mythic and being forced to stick to 1 spec.

Blizzard has had single specs of hybrids allowed to be bad in the past. Again, bad performance is not pure DPS class problem, being pigeonholed into a spec because of previous investments applies equally to all specs. Every single one. So instead of telling the world that pure DPS has it somehow worse then others, which they don't have, rather think of viable ways to alleviate the artifact grind problem.

[RobertoCarlos]

Blizzard has had single specs of hybrids allowed to be bad in the past. Again, bad performance is not pure DPS class problem, being pigeonholed into a spec because of previous investments applies equally to all specs. Every single one. So instead of telling the world that pure DPS has it somehow worse then others, which they don't have, rather think of viable ways to alleviate the artifact grind problem.

yes but in the past doesnt mean much when legion has very much been its own beast and acted differently to past expansions.

Examples have already been posted in this thread like frost mage and arcane mage being ignored because fire was more than viable.

Couple classes had it rough for awhile like DK then frost got buffed as fuck.

Shaman had resto and enhancement being viable while ele was dumpster fire.

So in other expacs you might be right, for legion you are wrong.

Hunters have had it the worst imo. One spec was made melee when you rolled a ranged class. And in EN marks was top. Then NH BM was top. Be getting dizzy with all that spec rerolling

[ymirsson]

yes but in the past doesnt mean much when legion has very much been its own beast and acted differently to past expansions.

Examples have already been posted in this thread like frost mage and arcane mage being ignored because fire was more than viable.

Couple classes had it rough for awhile like DK then frost got buffed as fuck.

Shaman had resto and enhancement being viable while ele was dumpster fire.

So in other expacs you might be right, for legion you are wrong.

Hunters have had it the worst imo. One spec was made melee when you rolled a ranged class. And in EN marks was top. Then NH BM was top. Be getting dizzy with all that spec rerolling

I dont have it wrong. I am trying to tell the ignorant that being a hybrid with a shitty main spec is as shitty as being a pure DPS class with a shitty main spec.

Or do you think it is fair to say that Brewmaster is strong, so Mistweaver can suck it? Mistweaver is bad, but hey, those Monks can easily switch to Windwalker? They can't.

[RobertoCarlos]

I dont have it wrong. I am trying to tell the ignorant that being a hybrid with a shitty main spec is as shitty as being a pure DPS class with a shitty main spec.

Or do you think it is fair to say that Brewmaster is strong, so Mistweaver can suck it? Mistweaver is bad, but hey, those Monks can easily switch to Windwalker? They can't.

Well if they like playing monk and are attached to that character, then yes. If they want to do better in grouped content then they could be better served going Brew or WW.

If I want to play rogue and we don't have a viable spec then what?

[ymirsson]

Well if they like playing monk and are attached to that character, then yes. If they want to do better in grouped content then they could be better served going Brew or WW.

If I want to play rogue and we don't have a viable spec then what?

And now you're changing the premise, now we're at no viable spec. Guess what, a Monk with zero playable specs is as playable as a rogue with zero.

[RobertoCarlos]

And now you're changing the premise, now we're at no viable spec. Guess what, a Monk with zero playable specs is as playable as a rogue with zero.

No i get your point. You are trying to argue that being pure is the same as being hybrid. Which I disagree with.

There are advangtages to being a pally/druid, that rogue/mage/warlock can only dream of

[ymirsson]

No i get your point. You are trying to argue that being pure is the same as being hybrid. Which I disagree with.

There are advangtages to being a pally/druid, that rogue/mage/warlock can only dream of

Yeah, you can suck in a different role, not just a different spec, because legion introduced artifacts. No serious raid will let you switch roles, just because you can. Most of the time, it not only a character problem, but also a question of available raid spots. You don't just switch tanks because an offtank has a mediocre DPS spec.

[RobertoCarlos]

Yeah, you can suck in a different role, not just a different spec, because legion introduced artifacts. No serious raid will let you switch roles, just because you can. Most of the time, it not only a character problem, but also a question of available raid spots. You don't just switch tanks because an offtank has a mediocre DPS spec.

Well thats the thing. Not everyone is working on Guldan Mythic, very few infact. Theres this middle ground where a lot of people raid heroic and you CAN change specs mid raid

[ymirsson]

But then you would be in a raid where you viably could change specs as a DPS too.

[shaunika123]

Blizzard has had single specs of hybrids allowed to be bad in the past. Again, bad performance is not pure DPS class problem, being pigeonholed into a spec because of previous investments applies equally to all specs. Every single one. So instead of telling the world that pure DPS has it somehow worse then others, which they don't have, rather think of viable ways to alleviate the artifact grind problem.

in the past that was true, but now it's kinda flipped on it's head due to legendaries and AP

I don't feel like all 3 rogue specs are good right now, honestly. If I wanted to make the switch from mut to outlaw or sub it'd be a 3 month journey to farm up the legendaries needed to play either spec at a reasonable level. Mut is the only one that can be played without BIS leggos.

yes, but WITH BiS legos both sub and outlaw are good.

[Deleted]

Can anyone post the live 7.2 t20 set bonuses? Eu comes online tomorrow

[whathump]

Can anyone post the live 7.2 t20 set bonuses? Eu comes online tomorrow

ASS

2p: Garrote's cost is reduced by 25 energy and cooldown is reduced by 12 seconds
4p: Garrote generates 1 additional combo point and deals 60% increased damage

OUTLAW

2p: Free Pistol Shots increase your critical strike chance by 10% for 8 seconds
4p: Adrenaline Rush persists for 15 sec longer when it ends, at half power

SUB

2p: Symbols of Death costs 30 less energy
4p: Symbols of Death causes your next 3 Shadowstrikes to critically strike

[AceofH]

am i the only one who finds the itemization for tier 20 to be straight up shit for assassination?

is it going to even be worth it to run tier over potentially better itemized gear?

[Deleted]

you're not the only one who says ass. Saying ass just expresses the way i feel about the spec right now.

Perhaps a shorter kingsbane cd will help alleviate the tediousness from SoT cycling.. I will definitely be trying out an alacrity/dp build too.

Is the general consensus that sub is going to overtake Sin then?

[RobertoCarlos]

Is the general consensus that sub is going to overtake Sin then?

Time will tell. Sub still has auto vanish on sprint and passive aoe when breaking stealth so it's still a rubbish spec

[elfporn]

Is the general consensus that sub is going to overtake Sin then?

This is the question plaguing me atm. i want to choose sub because i can play it better, it has better traits and set bonusi, but i know on pure ST, ass can still do better right now, without full traits.

[Valored]

am i the only one who finds the itemization for tier 20 to be straight up shit for assassination?

is it going to even be worth it to run tier over potentially better itemized gear?

New bonuses showing in-game:

2-piece: Garrote costs 25 less energy and cooldown is reduced by 12 seconds.
4-piece: Garrote now deals 60% more damage and generates 2 combo points.


That sounds broken to me. Garrote just climbed up the damage later with 7.2 launch, especially with Subterfuge. We will be able to have Garrote up reliably on pretty much every target we want, along with Rupture from our increased CP and decreased cost. This tier set, if anything seems OP in the posibilities it gives us into no longer being one dimensional. 2+ target cleave just got really sexy. Our talent options now open up for single target, cleave, aoe, M+, etc.

Sure it's not a sexy single target set at a glance but I am excited for the potential we now have to be the "new" fury warriors if we don't get nerfed. We'll be pushing out finishers faster, for more Poison Bombs, Kingsbane will be up a crazy amount, and legendary choices now seem, kind of meaningful outside of Shoulders/Boots.