In the last 10 years
33,000+ deaths (a year) from gun violence, the majority of them suicides.
0 deaths from refugees.
So what do we do as a nation? We seek to loosen our laws to allow more people to buy guns and try desperately to stop refugees from coming into our country.
Makes sense in alternate world.
So republicans that are pro-life people. Are you REALLY pro-life and ok with this?
The problem with designating specific disorders is that it can be easily exploited by good doctors.
I had a botanist professor that got a LOT of weed people off form punishment because Texas law only specified a certain type of weed. As soon as they broadened it, it hit the people they aimed it for because they could no longer lawyer / doctor themselves out of a loophole.
"Mental Disorders"
LF link to page that defines EXACTLY in DETAIL what that means.
Is ADHD/ADD a "mental disorder"? If so that automatically disqualifies atleast a quarter of americans from owning guns.
You guys are not even touching the REAL problem... The REAL reason the law was blocked: The SSA would report people with a mental disorder, or other such cerebral abnormalities, the Government would make their decision, and then NOTHING!!!!! The citizen will have had their constitutional right STRIPPED from them and they wouldn't even know it until they went to purchase a firearm (if they so chose to) and were declined with Government certified reasons.
This is called a violation of DUE PROCESS. If you are going to strip any person of their right... A right guaranteed by the U.S. CONSTITUTION... Due Process must be adhered to.
I am not against the severely mentally ill individuals being prevented from owning a gun. I am not simply against organizations having the ability to contact the government regarding an individuals mental status. I am against our government having the power to subvert Due Process and essentially act as judge jury and executioner without the citizen even knowing that it was happening to them.
"When you build it, you love it!"
Its probably good that they struck it down until it can be clearly defined. Democrats have a habit of making very generalized sweeps with their legislation that effect a lot more people than they intend. Is OCD or ADHD enough to have gun rights removed?
If someone has been found to be mentally unstable enough to be dangerous it should be done by a trial of experts and then verified by a trial of peers. We can't just take away someones rights just because they have a "disorder".
Well, when the chief of staff is mentally unstable, it would be hypocritical of Senate to pass such bill.
but yet those people can have a driver license and make kids. yeah i think a gun is the least of the worries here.
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i wonder how wells feels about this. hes a big due process guy but he hates anything republican or conservative so much he'll probably put the blinders on and not give a fuck about due process. the guy has more love for terrorists (oh no cant waterboard them) than he does his own countrymen.
I'm going to admit I don't remember the full discourse regarding the law outside of general knowledge that the bill was written sort of the same way Trump's travel ban was implemented. It was poorly written and did not exercise enough detail and thus ended up with a blanket sort of effect.
The problem is it involves the term "mentally ill" and the word "guns" so when people questioned it, those without critical thinking immediately jumped on the "you want crazy people to own guns?!" knee-jerk reaction.
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Self-control and judgement are unrelated thought processes, as such use different parts of the brain.
Hence why disability advocates have been against the bill from the start.
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There's already clear and strong enough law preventing the proper mental impairments from passing background checks.
Not to mention the fact the way guns are acquired for those involved in shootings with mental impairments didn't get them from a gun store.
How to tell if somebody learned World Geography in school or from SNL:
"GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?
PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."
SNL: Can't be Diomede Islands, say her backyard instead.
OP's ableism is showing. It's funny how liberals claim they are the tolerant ones yet always turn out to be bigots.
OP is a pathologically dishonest and/or willfully inaccurate description of the regulation that got shanked.
What Obama did was encourage a rule to be issued that basically allowed the SSA to use receiving social security or social security disability insurance as a substitute for an adjudication of mental unfitness on an NICS check. Like, if you applied for SS or SSDI, you were per se mentally unfit. It was not only a denial of the 2nd Amendment right but also of due process. It was a garbage act by a garbage administration.