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    Leaks are bad M'kay? - Trump

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38989907

    Leading Republicans in the US have called for an investigation into leaks that led to the resignation of national security adviser Michael Flynn.

    The heads of the House Oversight and Judiciary Committees are concerned potentially classified information was released.

    Mr Flynn is alleged to have discussed US sanctions with Russia's ambassador in calls before his own appointment.

    It is illegal for private citizens to conduct US diplomacy.


    President Donald Trump, who is also facing questions over his ties with Russia, pledged to punish the intelligence officials who leaked information.

    "We're going to find the leakers and they're going to pay a big price," he told reporters during a meeting with Republican lawmakers on Thursday.

    Hours earlier, Mr Trump tweeted that "the spotlight has finally been put on the low-life leakers" who "will be caught".


    Mr Flynn, a retired army lieutenant-general, initially denied having discussed sanctions with Ambassador Sergei Kislyak, and Vice-President Mike Pence publicly denied the allegations on his behalf.

    But he came under mounting pressure on Monday when details of his phone calls emerged in US media, as well as reports the justice department had warned the White House about him misleading senior officials and being vulnerable to Russian blackmail.
    I don't know whether to laugh or cry, this is coming from somebody praising leaks against Hilary during the election!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam86shadow View Post
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38989907



    I don't know whether to laugh or cry, this is coming from somebody praising leaks against Hilary during the election!
    Whether or not he's being hypocritical, he's right.

    If information is leaking from intelligence officials then they aren't handling classified information properly. It's an issue whether or not Trump is being controlled by the Russian government or not.

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    https://i.redd.it/5gpr57jkt3gy.png

    Good ol' Trump, contradicting himself for the 3486th time.

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    I love than rather than address the subject of these leaks and the fact that the public has a right to know about them, he is trying to deflect by saying that the leaks are "un-american". Because what Flynn did was not un-american at all... Because lying to the public about your ties with another country is not "un-american"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docturphil View Post
    Whether or not he's being hypocritical, he's right.

    If information is leaking from intelligence officials then they aren't handling classified information properly. It's an issue whether or not Trump is being controlled by the Russian government or not.
    In a case where the President himself may be compromised? What are they supposed to do, tell Trump or his co-collaborators that they're under Russian influence? Anyway, they tried doing that before he was sworn in, and if you'll recall that turned into a shitshow of its own.

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    He only cares because it's going to negatively impact him and he thinks by acting tough they'll stop, they won't, they'll be even more inclined to leak now.

    Just hope it's substantial enough for the republicans to take action against Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaserChild9 View Post
    I love than rather than address the subject of these leaks and the fact that the public has a right to know about them, he is trying to deflect by saying that the leaks are "un-american". Because what Flynn did was not un-american at all... Because lying to the public about your ties with another country is not "un-american"...
    The leaks during the campaign were un-American. Trump had to outsource that to Russia and Assange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaserSharkDFB View Post
    In a case where the President himself may be compromised? What are they supposed to do, tell Trump or his co-collaborators that they're under Russian influence? Anyway, they tried doing that before he was sworn in, and if you'll recall that turned into a shitshow of its own.
    If Trump was involved in some conspiracy with the Russians, it would be in the best interest of the intelligence agencies to keep their investigation and/or what they know under wraps until they have enough evidence to build a solid case. Information leaking before then is bad because then Trump (if he's guilty) is able to get ahead of it. Additionally, information leaking makes the intelligence agency less credible making it even more difficult to build a case against Trump.

    So even if Trump is involved in some conspiracy with the Russians, he's right. Information leaking out is bad no matter what the truth is about Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docturphil View Post
    Whether or not he's being hypocritical, he's right.

    If information is leaking from intelligence officials then they aren't handling classified information properly. It's an issue whether or not Trump is being controlled by the Russian government or not.
    ^-----This

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    ^-----This
    Well, as long as you are also concerned about the Flynn thing itself, I think we can agree that illegally leaking of documents given to someone or hacked somewhere is not a good thing.

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    The leaks should be investigated. Someone is leaking classified information. This needs to be done in an independent fashion.

    The actions of Trump and his team also need to be investigated. People were talking to Russian intelligence agents while campaigning for the presidency. This needs to also be handled by an independent investigator.

    We'll see if they both happen.

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    Real leaks are not. If 'public' knows about it, all important foreign intelligence agencies already knew about it, even if barely a few hours before.

    What is really important is FAKE leaks. At this time, we, the 'public opinion' have very little means to determine if they are true or not.

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    I hope Trump "pays a big price" for leaking national security information all over the tablecloth at the Mar-a-Lago banquet hall, then, I guess.

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    I expect a number of people voted for him in his opinion of leaks which indicated complete transparency in his government

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daish View Post
    this is just about emotions and feelings there was nothing illegal done and no real risk
    Might want to actually read the OP

    Mr Flynn is alleged to have discussed US sanctions with Russia's ambassador in calls before his own appointment.

    It is illegal for private citizens to conduct US diplomacy.
    “The biggest communication problem is we do not listen to understand. We listen to reply,” Stephen Covey.

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    He said the leaks are real but the news is fake, why didn't he say the news is real but the leaks are fake? It seems like the most important thing to him is that he takes every opportunity to discredit "the media," but in this situation it seems counterproductive.

    He's saying he doesn't know where the leaks are coming from, and he also claims to be certain that he hasn't been the victim of Russian hacking, espionage, or covert influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    Well, as long as you are also concerned about the Flynn thing itself, I think we can agree that illegally leaking of documents given to someone or hacked somewhere is not a good thing.
    I am concern about the Flynn thing, if there is anything shady going on I want it exposed. Just don't want to see Snowdon 2.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I am concern about the Flynn thing, if there is anything shady going on I want it exposed. Just don't want to see Snowdon 2.0
    Yeah, I hope it does get investigated. Ironically though, since no one in Washington seems interested in doing that, we will like get more leaks. Sigh.

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    Maybe they need to secure their private servers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docturphil View Post
    Whether or not he's being hypocritical, he's right.

    If information is leaking from intelligence officials then they aren't handling classified information properly. It's an issue whether or not Trump is being controlled by the Russian government or not.
    Except this is not being quite so you don't let the enemy know your plans. This is about someone as a candidate who may have had potential wrong doing before getting elected. I think most people want the government to keep secrets about operations and such in order to protect our interests as a nation. I think very FEW people (who aren't extremely partisan) want the government to hide the corruption of government officials.

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