I have to disagree with you as well. The vast majority of information on Noxxic is extremely wrong. It is more detrimental to the player and to the community for someone to follow this information, than just spamming your filler spell(s). Wanting to play to better potential shouldn't be limited to top-tier raiding either. No sense in making your every day tasks, like WQ's, take longer because you're following bad information. This builds bad habits at very least. The fact that a mod from the leading WoW information repository is defending Noxxic baffles me honestly. On this site even, there is FARRRR better information for every class and spec in the game. Why give Noxxic any amount of credibility, by saying its "ok" for new or casual players to use it?
He isn't defending Noxxic, he's saying playing correctly doesn't really matter except at the high-end. And that's technically true, and you always have some dude saying it in these threads.
But what that dude doesn't get is that it matters to that player. WoW is all about progressing your character, getting more powerful. It doesn't matter if you actually need that power to overcome a specific obstacle. It's enough that it makes world quests faster, or pushes you higher up on the meters when you raid normal modes with your casual guild. That's what keeps you playing.
If you don't progress and get better every day, even incrementally, the core gameplay loop of a dikuMUD like WoW is short-circuited. And then you quit playing, because there's no reason to log-in. That's what artifact power is all about, essentially infinite incremental progression-- it's a retention mechanism.
The only reason someone would realistically look up a guide and actually apply its information is because they want to improve. The point is that using Noxxic's information will not lead to improvement over simply spamming 1-2 spells out of your spellbook for most classes.
Not satire, just lazy. All they want is people to go to the site so they can make money. Doesn't matter how correct or incorrect the information is.
Hi Sephurik
lol so the reason why it reccomends putting your UA on the soul effigy, is that your dps will be higher
on the boss? no
overall yes
because putting it on the boss you do 100%
putting it on the efiggy you do 130% 100% to the effigy 30% to the boss
so if people have horrible meters, or are idiots, they will look like they are doing more damage... but in reality you are doing less...
The site shouldve been shutdown the moment blizz called them out for being utter wrong and utter shite!!1
I'm surprised Noxxic didn't screw up the BM hunter guide.
I've never liked Noxxic because they place their faith on SimCraft, which as we all know is unreliable to begin with since it's perfect storm situations
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We're all newbs, some are just more newbier than others.
Just a burned out hardcore raider turned casual.
I'm tired. So very tired. Can I just lay my head on your lap and fall asleep?
#TeamFuckEverything
Noxxic ALMOST got the meatball build right, though I'm pretty sure any idiot can "almost" get the talents right for that build. Even if they correctly picked EB instead of EF it's impossible to get a correct understanding of Elemental in 715 unless you also understand the existence of the LR and Icefury builds and why you might use them instead.
Noxxic tends to offer up pleb friendly specs instead of what's currently simming the best from what I've noticed.
Honestly specs have been so whittled down that it shouldn't be a problem to take even the shittiest build and then make changes based on a bit of playing around in game.
Icy Veins states that you should use WB when you can sustain the AOE on multiple targets. That is accurate. Saying you should just take it over Avatar is not.
And Icy Veins doesn't say you use Whirlwind as a rage dump either, because Fury's Whirlwind is free to cast and costs no Rage. Arms's Whirlwind costs Rage, they got them mixed up. The information is just straight up inaccurate.
And the above information isn't exactly too much for a new player to understand. Noxxic is just wrong here. At least the stat priority is fine, but I wouldn't recommend the website even to a new player.
Took a look at their shadow guide... Well, stats are completely wrong (I"m not even talking about the more advanced stuff like soft caps and CMD ratio, even the basic advice is wrong), rotation is more or less fine (it's really nearly impossible to get it wrong), but when it comes to AoE, it still references what I assume was mind sear (link to spell is broken), regardless of stating that the guide was updated for 7.1.5. And cooldows part is misleading. Don't think it's satirical though, at least if it is, it's not funny.
Also checked out icy-veins, it seems to have most of the information correct, at some point. It seems that no one bothered to clean up the guide during the repeated changes to shadow and as the theorycrafting was done. So the more tldr parts have incorrect/outdated information, but the in-depth ones are better. The only faults I found were with no mention of 10k vs 12k haste part and that legendaries section is almost completely wrong and has no mention of talent impact.
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It is, but not intentionally so.
How do they get their data, anyways? Is there an actual person contributing this or is it some sort of metadata collection or what? I never got it and assumed it was automatically grabbing data from other places which is why it was always so mismatched and random. If there's really a person writing it... I mean, it'd be pretty dick, but couldn't they just copy Icy Veins or something more reliable? There's not really any excuse if there's an actual person manually writing all of this.
Unless, of course, you're right and it's just a major troll. I feel like in situations like these people claim it is when it isn't, though. Like, a person intends to be genuine, realizes it's terrible, feigns trolling/satire to save face.
Edit: Lol it's telling Havocs to spec Chaos Cleave for ST
It's a problem with curation of the data. If they gave a shit, they'd have a team of moderators or players who'd keep the information up-to-date. (Icy-Veins got a rap for failing to do this, but recently has been better.) But I don't think Noxxic is the kind of website that gives a shit about the quality of the information on their page, just that there's a subsection of uninformed players who Google "how i shot fireball" and their page comes up at the top of the list. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯