Neo-Nazi gets punched in the face while handing out racist fliers at campus

[downnola]

There we go, mods that like seeing people that attend to a certain ideology punched in the head.
But if its fine like that, it should be fine all the ways right? When the far right reaches power i hope it will be ok when liberals will be violently assaulted, cos in that case it wont be hit and run, it will be close, personal and upfront combat. No one will run anywhere.

So basically it's heads we win; tails you lose? Every schoolboy knows the day the far right truly takes power is the day of the rope, regardless if any nazi was punched beforehand.

[Mormolyce]

Yea but lets be honest, with a lot less damage and lasting impact to the surrounding community.

Riots do millions of dollars in property damage and hold an entire city hostage more or less.

I think comparing that to a bunch of old fat white guys hold up in a refuge no body barely goes to anyhow is a bit disingenuous if we are speaking within the context of scale or even number of occurrences.

Just so we are clear, fuck both instances, but comparing them is at best an extremely weak parallel to make.

If the best cross comparison you guys can come up with is a handful of OFWG's out in the woods playing militia, I think you are not going to convince anyone of anything.

You know one of them was shot to death.

Compared to "property damage".

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Damn, I never even got to see what got snipped. Endus, PM me what he said, yo. If someone is going to get infracted in a response to me, I feel like I should get to know what was said.

I'm guessing he was infracted due to the holocaust denial excrement he posted before he quoted you.

[Deleted]

So basically it's heads we win; tails you lose?

I responded to mod comentary and hypocrisy. Doesnt mean i agree or dont agree with her.

I have not voiced my take on the incident or what should be done with liberals. Just addressed "violence against one ideology/opinion is good, violence against another is bad" issue.

[TITAN308]

You know one of them was shot to death.

Compared to "property damage".

What exactly is your point? I still don't find the two comparable on any level outside of both instances involving retards.

What is funny is this; within the context of a law if someone points a gun at your or raises a brick or metal pole to strike you in both cases you would be justified in deadly force. In this regard rioters are given a shit ton of more leeway when they start hurdling glass bottles and pieces of road debris.

If you handed me a firearm and said I had a choice of facing 10 old fat white guys with guns in the woods or 200 protesters with rocks and sticks in a everyone fights till they die scenario, then send my ass to the woods and I'd rather take my chances against the dudes with guns.

[Macaquerie]

You know one of them was shot to death.

Compared to "property damage".

The degree of pearl clutching that conservatives do over broken windows and blocking traffic is beyond irritating, but even still, people need to be smart enough not to do it. Destroying property might make you feel edgy and rebellious but it accomplishes nothing except give the other side a wedge to delegitimize your protest and ignore your actual message.

[TITAN308]

The degree of pearl clutching that conservatives do over broken windows and blocking traffic is beyond irritating, but even still, people need to be smart enough not to do it. Destroying property might make you feel edgy and rebellious but it accomplishes nothing except give the other side a wedge to delegitimize your protest and ignore your actual message.

Referring to what they do as "broken windows" and "blocking traffic" is also disingenuous as shit.

http://www.stltoday.com/business/loc...6cde2432e.html

I can find all sorts of articles, like ones where insurance won't cover riot damage and pretty much ruin small businesses and destroyed the lives of families that owned them.

Also, I'm not a conservative. Sorry.

And as much as the truth hurts, one human life, one who pulled a gun on the police no less, is not in anyway more valuable to society than when millions of dollars in "broken windows" are destroyed and the lasting economical effect (short or long term) occurs.

Of course its not your money that has to be spent to rebuild, so why would you give a shit, right?

[Mormolyce]

What exactly is your point? I still don't find the two comparable on any level outside of both instances involving retards.

What is funny is this; within the context of a law if someone points a gun at your or raises a brick or metal pole to strike you in both cases you would be justified in deadly force. In this regard rioters are given a shit ton of more leeway when they start hurdling glass bottles and pieces of road debris.

Speaking of not comparable.

[Endus]

Referring to what they do as "broken windows" and "blocking traffic" is also disingenuous as shit.

http://www.stltoday.com/business/loc...6cde2432e.html

I can find all sorts of articles, like ones where insurance won't cover riot damage and pretty much ruin small businesses and destroyed the lives of families that owned them.

Also, I'm not a conservative. Sorry.

And as much as the truth hurts, one human life, one who pulled a gun on the police no less, is not in anyway more valuable to society than when millions of dollars in "broken windows" are destroyed and the lasting economical effect (short or long term) occurs.

Of course its not your money that has to be spent to rebuild, so why would you give a shit, right?

There's also the point that the Malheur situation was planned and coordinated. Riots, pretty typically, aren't. They're an explosive expression of outrage that's been festering. It's not GOOD, but it's a far cry from planned, armed aggression.

That the Malheur situation ended with a low body count is, of course, good, but it could easily have gone the other way. And yes, I'm going to take way more issue with people who premeditate their violence than those who simply got caught up in an outburst of anger and violence, like a riot.

Hell, we get riots when sports matches go the wrong way, sometimes. They're just not the huge issue you're making them out to be.

Again; not saying "riots are awesome and good", but they're not a high-grade threat if they don't keep on burning. And these haven't. The best you can do is try and figure out what provoked them, and make sure others don't get provoked the same way.

[monkmastaeq]

meh anything endus says is wrong and flawed anyways , dont bother responding

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meh anything endus says is wrong and flawed anyways , dont bother responding , might get infracted when he doesn't agree

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Your interpretation would generally be correct, but in Texas, this argument could potentially get tricky. Check out this Wiki article on the Joe Horn shooting controversy; Horn killed a couple scumbags that were robbing his neighbor and was not indicted by a grand jury. In Texas, if you're the one that initiates a crime and someone kills you, they're probably not going to jail for the most part.

Interesting read on that Joe Horn-case. Haven't heard about it before. In my (European) mindset this is pretty crazy - especially since the police detective at the scene reports it as Horn shooting them in the back. I can understand the argument of self defense if they charged towards him but as the 911 operator says "Ain’t no property worth shooting somebody over, O.K.?". As soon as they run away from him it is no longer self defense. To quote Quanell X: "This was a... ... man who saw the opportunity to be judge, jury and executioner - reading the transcript from the 911 call I'm inclined to agree with that statement.

Even the Castle Doctrine is a stretch if the perpetrators were in the neighbors front yard.

[Rooflesstoofless]

Then I suppose you have trouble reading if you didn't see it being discussed.

Yeah, I saw your ass was already thoroughly kicked on that subject but cba to edit my post.

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Or, less hyperbolically, you get instances like the armed occupation of the Malheur wildlife refuge.

Maybe not a "riot", but a hell of a lot more heavily-armed than rioters generally are, and with much more violent rhetoric.

And yet the cost to property and life is higher with your benevolent left wing rioters.

[Endus]

And yet the cost to property and life is higher with your benevolent left wing rioters.

Yep. Move those goalposts.

Premeditation is pretty universally deemed to be a significantly worse behaviour than acts of passion. That's why premeditated crimes are punished much more strictly than those that occur in the heat of the moment.

And frankly, in Canada, the loss of life and damage has been higher from right-wing types. So don't act as if this is political.

[willtron]

Morons, both of them. For handing out those stupid fliers that he knew would probably piss people off and for the guy who punched him. You don't punch people because you don't like their opinions.

If that opinion is inciting hatred and prejudice on a recognisable front, I'd say hitting is pretty justified.

[TITAN308]

If that opinion is inciting hatred and prejudice on a recognisable front, I'd say hitting is pretty justified.

Well you are an orc. So that doesn't surprise me.

[hakujinbakasama]

So I can punch a feminist in the face for hate speech against men right?

[Deleted]

Good. We didn't defeat nazi's the last time by being polite to them, that's not how we'll do it this time.

[Tonkaden]

Most neo-nazis are cowards when they're not coddled.

I guess you must know a lot of neo-nazis to know that "most are cowards". You are so full of hyperbole and shit shit.

[hakujinbakasama]

Feminism is not about hate speech against men.

I didn't say "feminism" I said "feminist." Actors are not by necessity required to follow their claimed doctrine.

[Rooflesstoofless]

Yep. Move those goalposts.

Premeditation is pretty universally deemed to be a significantly worse behaviour than acts of passion. That's why premeditated crimes are punished much more strictly than those that occur in the heat of the moment.

And frankly, in Canada, the loss of life and damage has been higher from right-wing types. So don't act as if this is political.

Lol....because the people rioting were originally going to be peaceful but those Starbucks windows were oppressing them and needed to be taken down!

[Tonkaden]

Feminism is not about hate speech against men.

I can link you dozens of youtube videos stating otherwise. There are different categories within "groups" of a lot of people. Feminists aren't an exception. Some feminists might stand for the right things, but some do hide behind the label and do nothing but bash men.

Regardless though. You can't put your hands on anyone for their opinions.