Trump lays out plan to bankrupt the USA

[Deleted]

i love clickbait trump threads that source a news site which is openly opposed to Trump and the republican party.

just to clarify though, it is a great plan and i would vote for him again in 4 years if he does this.

Bbc is anti trump now? Any particular reason you think this?

[Mayhem]

We dropped two nuclear bombs. They folded.

Well, it´s pretty hard to "disguise" a war as liberating the people while at the same time incinerating said people.

[Allenseiei]

Actually the problem with modern war is we refuse to do what we did to Japan. It wasn't pretty. Maybe in the grand scheme of things it was not even humane (opinions will vary).

Japan probably was the last country we out-right did "win" against.

Modern war is a pretty funny proposition now a days when in comparison to long gone historical wars.

Actually the Japanese did not surrender because of the two nuclear bombs. They surrendered because they lost the last bastion in the Russian front, after Germany surrendered. The emperor did want to surrender however he was going to get censured by the military. Japan had laid out the tactical defense of the island far after the two nuclear bombs. After all, the second bomb, which missed the target completely (the mitsubishi factory and the military staging point) killing only civilians, their factories were still running.

[TITAN308]

In addition that any ''SJW'' would tell you that Japan did not folded just because of the bombs, if the bombs are supreme, why bother with aircraft at all ?

These were not just "bombs" they were nuclear bombs.

This is like people saying rioters are just "breaking windows".

To answer your question if it was phrased correctly: I don't ultimately know why we have never used them again. I understand why we don't use them against other nations with nuclear bombs, but I honestly don't know why we don't use them against nations without. I can only assume because it makes people feel bad.

Well, it´s pretty hard to "disguise" a war as liberating the people while at the same time incinerating said people.

The end result was the same, they folded. Don't misconstrue my comments as being OK with mass civilian causalities, just commentary as to why we don't "win" wars now a days. Especially unconventional ones where the enemy doesn't wear uniforms.

[Mayhem]

Not even that, if the issue is to be magically solved with carpet bombing (which, uh, did not worked at all in Vietnam...) why buying overpriced tanks, aircraft and carriers ?

Military Parades look awfully stupid with just bombs rolling along the street?

[Wolfman31]

As an anarcho-fascist, I'm cheering on the end of the government and society as we know it. The Empire is crumbling with or without Trump. If he speeds up the process, then good. In our modernity, we've lost something so deep and profound that we can't even remember that we lost it. In Heideggerian terms, it's the openness to Being, the very thing that makes us human, that we've lost. And the only way to get it back in today's age is for the entire system to collapse in on itself. This age of decadent hedonistic nihilism must come to an end in order for the balance of nature to be restored. It's already underway. It was underway before Trump. It'll keep crumbling after him. Vote your little heart out for every globalist Marxist that says all the right buzzwords like "diversity". It doesn't matter. The Empire of Nothing can't be sustained. It's too perverse and aligned against all natural order. Trump may be holding a lit match, but the kindling for the dumpster fire of civilization was already built for him. I for one can't wait to see it go up in flames.

[Uvwaex]

Who knows? Maybe he IS trying to bankrupt the US. If he is, I'd be curious to know what his motives are- besides shits and giggles, of course.

Well, it would fit his business strategy

[Allybeboba]

I don't think anyone can say that fiscally draining the US economy of money and funding the military is a wise move; more over draining environmental/science/social programs is a smart move either. Trump is doing all of that and then some, and meanwhile going to porkbarrel infrastructure to loyal constituencies more than likely. He states he's going to lower taxes as well; so I don't see how this will lower our debt - something the GOP was stringent on.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39108194

But, hey, lets blow all the cash, and pour it down the drain on bombs, walls, and bridges to nowhere. I'm sure we'll be fine after all is said and done, right?

You do realize that the former Administration spent more money that all US presidents combined, right?

[Uvwaex]

As an anarcho-fascist, I'm cheering on the end of the government and society as we know it. The Empire is crumbling with or without Trump. If he speeds up the process, then good. In our modernity, we've lost something so deep and profound that we can't even remember that we lost it. In Heideggerian terms, it's the openness to Being, the very thing that makes us human, that we've lost. And the only way to get it back in today's age is for the entire system to collapse in on itself. This age of decadent hedonistic nihilism must come to an end in order for the balance of nature to be restored. It's already underway. It was underway before Trump. It'll keep crumbling after him. Vote your little heart out for every globalist Marxist that says all the right buzzwords like "diversity". It doesn't matter. The Empire of Nothing can't be sustained. It's too perverse and aligned against all natural order. Trump may be holding a lit match, but the kindling for the dumpster fire of civilization was already built up for him. I for one can't wait to see it go up in flames.

I'll see you in the ditch, fellow future corpse

[Allybeboba]

These were not just "bombs" they were nuclear bombs.

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Not nuclear...
Nucular... get it right!

[sarahtasher]

These were not just "bombs" they were nuclear bombs.

This is like people saying rioters are just "breaking windows".

To answer your question if it was phrased correctly: I don't ultimately know why we have never used them again. I understand why we don't use them against other nations with nuclear bombs, but I honestly don't know why we don't use them against nations without. I can only assume because it makes people feel bad.



The end result was the same, they folded. Don't misconstrue my comments as being OK with mass civilian causalities, just commentary as to why we don't "win" wars now a days. Especially unconventional ones where the enemy doesn't wear uniforms.

As people said, presumably because it would be really hard to present nuking Saigon as ''saving Vietnam from Communism'' ?

[alexw]

Bbc is anti trump now? Any particular reason you think this?

It reports facts, ergo it as anti-Trump as Trump hates facts.

[sarahtasher]

Actually the Japanese did not surrender because of the two nuclear bombs. They surrendered because they lost the last bastion in the Russian front, after Germany surrendered. The emperor did want to surrender however he was going to get censured by the military. Japan had laid out the tactical defense of the island far after the two nuclear bombs. After all, the second bomb, which missed the target completely (the mitsubishi factory and the military staging point) killing only civilians, their factories were still running.

More precisely, they surrendered because their plan hinged on Soviet mediation

[Glorious Leader]

As much as im loathe to defend donnie boy it should be made clear that the US can never involuntarily default on its debt as it currently stands.

It should also go that republican jackasses who railed so hard against obama and the debt to the point they threatened the fiscal cliff ought to be called out for the hypocrits they are.

[Daelak]

As an anarcho-fascist, I'm cheering on the end of the government and society as we know it. The Empire is crumbling with or without Trump. If he speeds up the process, then good. In our modernity, we've lost something so deep and profound that we can't even remember that we lost it. In Heideggerian terms, it's the openness to Being, the very thing that makes us human, that we've lost. And the only way to get it back in today's age is for the entire system to collapse in on itself. This age of decadent hedonistic nihilism must come to an end in order for the balance of nature to be restored. It's already underway. It was underway before Trump. It'll keep crumbling after him. Vote your little heart out for every globalist Marxist that says all the right buzzwords like "diversity". It doesn't matter. The Empire of Nothing can't be sustained. It's too perverse and aligned against all natural order. Trump may be holding a lit match, but the kindling for the dumpster fire of civilization was already built for him. I for one can't wait to see it go up in flames.

I'm not understanding your use of the term natural order. Do you mean might is superior? That the entire concept of society and governance is a marxist plot?

[Dug]

To answer your question if it was phrased correctly: I don't ultimately know why we have never used them again. I understand why we don't use them against other nations with nuclear bombs, but I honestly don't know why we don't use them against nations without. I can only assume because it makes people feel bad.

Because you then set the precedent for any country that has the bombs to use them whenever they wish and from there it will just continue to snow ball. Once another nuke is launched in an attack it will basically be game over. Don't matter if its on a mud hut in bumfuckistan

[Mayhem]

These were not just "bombs" they were nuclear bombs.

The air raids that went on for a few years claimed between 200.000 and 900.000 casualties. It´s not like the civilian population was living happy lifes up until the two bombs dropped.

The end result was the same, they folded. Don't misconstrue my comments as being OK with mass civilian causalities, just commentary as to why we don't "win" wars now a days.

I was talking about the recent wars, not ww2.

Also, you do win them, the outcome however is a lot different from back in the days, wonder why, do you think you didn´t kill enough people in iraq or maybe because of what happened after the war?

[Uvwaex]

You do realize that the former Administration spent more money that all US presidents combined, right?

Do you mean A) He spent more than them all individually or B) that he spent more than all of them in total? One is absolutely right, the other is absolutely wrong.

This is a good chart http://www.truthfulpolitics.com/imag...-president.jpg, heres a good run down of what was added to the debt under each president and why: https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-b...ercent-3306296

This of course completely ignores that federal spending in one term is going to be effected by federal spending in the other (costs from bills enacted in previous administrations often come up in new ones).

[sarahtasher]

Okay, to rephrase it, you don't think that Iwo Jima, Tarawa, Saipan and co. shown abundantly the limits of airpower ?

Even the justly mocked Iraqi army had the brains to protect with earthworks their equipment in Koweit (it worked to a surprising degree : beams and sandbags actually protected around 80% of Iraqi heavy weapons from airstrikes).

[Allybeboba]

More people were killed directly in the fire bombing of Tokyo than directly of the bombing of Hiroshima.