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    Exclamation Canada, Somali immgrants flooding into

    Somali refugees are flown to the US where they are expected to apply for refugee status but they know they can get a lot more money and social services in Canada. In the US a refugee is self sufficient in six months time on average.

    It's a lot like how Syrian Sunni refugees would land in Greece and head north to the Nordic countries and Germany.





    https://www.yahoo.com/news/door-knoc...111159858.html

    EMERSON, Manitoba (Reuters) - Jaime French was jarred out of bed in Emerson, Manitoba early one morning this month by pounding at her front door, just yards from the U.S. border. A face peered in through the window, flanked in the darkness by others.

    Outside were 16 asylum seekers, arriving at one of the first houses they saw after crossing a lightly monitored border between Canada and the United States.

    "They banged pretty hard, then 'ring ring ring' the doorbell," said French, a mother of two young girls. "It was scary. That really woke me up."

    The town has become the front line of an emerging political crisis that is testing Canada's will to welcome asylum seekers.

    Hundreds of people, mainly from Africa but also the Middle East, are fleeing U.S. President Donald Trump's crackdown on illegal immigrants, migrants and refugee agencies say. Many asylum seekers say Trump's election and subsequent crackdown on illegal migrants spurred their plans to head north.

    Those arriving in Emerson come on foot in the dead of night, unnerving its 650 residents. Some fear the influx of unscreened migrants while others are frustrated by the cost and effort forced on the community.

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is under increased pressure from the left, which wants him to let more in, and from the right, which is fearful of an increased security risk. Trudeau must tread carefully to ensure the issue does not complicate relations with Trump.

    The cooling welcome in Emerson is a microcosm of growing discontent over Canada’s open door policy for refugees.

    Last week, an Angus Reid poll found that while 47 percent of respondents said Canada is taking in the right number of refugees, 41 percent said the number is already too high. (See the report) (http://angusreid.org/syrian-refugee-travel-ban/)

    "It could become a real political liability for the government," said Christian Leuprecht, a politics professor at the Royal Military College of Canada, noting that spring will lead to more crossings as travel gets easier.

    THAWING OUT IN THE KITCHEN

    After the 16 migrants left French's home, without being admitted, they found truck driver Brad Renout two doors down leaving for work.

    "I was going to leave them all outside," Renout said. "I figured, to hell with (them) for coming over the border in winter."

    When he saw children among the group, Renout allowed three women, three toddlers and two teenagers into his kitchen.

    Early Sunday, Reuters witnessed at least seven migrants bundled in new parkas and bulging backpacks walking into Canada from Minnesota, following railway tracks in the icy dark.

    Ismail, a 25-year-old Somali man, said they had walked for 22 hours without sleep across North Dakota. As police lights flashed distantly, Ismail said he was afraid to walk toward them.

    He thought the group was still on U.S. soil.

    Canadian police caught up with them shortly afterward and arrested them for illegally entering Canada. The group squeezed, uncuffed, into a police minivan and headed to a government office for questioning.

    "We feel sorry for the people," said retired grain farmer Ken Schwark. "I just wish they would come through the legal way."

    A 2004 agreement between Canada and the United States means asylum seekers must submit applications in the United States if they arrive there first. But if they find a way into Canada, they can apply for refugee status there.

    It's an avenue that has spurred north illegal migrants in the United States, especially Somalis settled in Minnesota, which shares a land border with Manitoba. After pricey taxi rides to North Dakota, many like Ismail walk for hours in darkness and -20 C (-4°F) temperatures to dimly lit Emerson, in the shadow of the bright glare of the international border crossing.

    The lucky migrants get rides dropping them off less than a mile from Noyes, Minnesota, within sight of Emerson's southern edge. From there they duck under a metal crossing-arm gate, walk across the border and often use their own cellphones to dial police.

    Others are dropped 30 or more kilometers (19 miles) from the border, and follow rail lines into Emerson, crossing a border marked in most areas only by scattered concrete boundary markers.

    Faye Suderman, a four-decade Emerson resident, said she is sympathetic but draws a line between those fleeing persecution and those who have simply run out of chances in the United States: "How difficult is it to get rid of those people and give help to those truly in need?"

    Emerson Cafe manager Jacquelyn Reimer, who has fed shivering asylum seekers for free, wondered why the Canadian government is helping refugees when the country has its own homeless problem. "We can't even take care of our own," she said.

    MAKESHIFT BEDS, NUTELLA SANDWICHES

    Due to its border-hugging location, Emerson's encounters with migrants are not new, but the scale of their arrivals is.

    In the first two months of 2017, 143 mainly Somali people walked illegally over the border into Emerson, representing 40 percent of Manitoba's full-year total in 2015/16. Quebec and British Columbia are the two other major illegal crossing points, but police there refused to provide data.

    Emerson residents don’t encounter the migrants for long before police arrive and whisk them to the local Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) office for questioning. From there, they are ferried to Winnipeg, Manitoba's capital, to file asylum claims.

    Despite some residents’ fears, asylum-seekers have not caused any trouble, said Bill Spanjer, Emerson's emergency coordinator.

    "They're going to be on their best behavior because otherwise their refugee claim is certainly going to be affected," he said.

    When police receive a call, they summon the town's volunteer firefighters to treat any health concerns, as the nearest ambulance is 25 minutes away. In December, two men from Ghana lost all of their fingers to frostbite.

    Firefighter callouts cost Emerson about C$500 each time. The costs may add up to C$30,000 since last spring, representing 10 percent of its firefighting budget, said Emerson-Franklin's elected leader Greg Janzen. The provincial government directed more resources to Emerson last week, including paramedics and paralegal and transportation services.

    Since the influx sped up in January, the strain on Emerson has grown. In early February, police intercepted 18 migrants from Somalia and Djibouti and CBSA asked Emerson to temporarily house them in the town's ice rink.

    Brenda Piett and other volunteers laid folding banquet tables on the concrete floor, and layered them with blankets for makeshift mattresses. At the migrants’ request, they served white bread sandwiches with Nutella hazelnut spread.

    "The groups are getting bigger, and the stories are scary, how far they’ve walked," said Piett, an inventory clerk at Emerson's duty-free store. "But it does affect our town. Some people are very scared of it."

    (Additional reporting by David Ljunggren in Ottawa and Allison Lampert in Montreal; Editing by Amran Abocar and Ross Colvin)
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    "This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can."

    -- Capt. Copeland

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    Somali refugees or Somali immigrants?

    Be consistent please.

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    Wow, what a racist article!

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    They welcome them with open arms, so I guess it's ok?

    Canada reminds me so much of the Netherlands decades ago. They will learn by experience eventually.

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    Canada to be annexed to the European Union of Arab States in early 2019.

    Congrats and As-Salaam-Alaikum


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    Refugees from America...

    Somalians consider America to be a shithole enough to evacuate now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupimus View Post
    Refugees from America...

    Somalians consider America to be a shithole enough to evacuate now?
    Canada has a more generous welfare state.
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    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupimus View Post
    Refugees from America...

    Somalians consider America to be a shithole enough to evacuate now?
    Haven't you heard, haven't you seen? Trump is literally Hitler.

    OP: If that was me and somebody I don't know was knocking on my door in the middle of the night I'd be calling the police.
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    Fascists should be marginalized, ostracized, bullied and on the occasion, decked. Their ideology is a cancer in our species.
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    Bigots don't deserve debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Putricide View Post
    Haven't you heard, haven't you seen? Trump is literally Hitler.

    OP: If that was me and somebody I don't know was knocking on my door in the middle of the night I'd be calling the police.
    If I had a troop of darkies banging on my damned door in the middle of the night I'd have to start considering pasting a few to make this a no-show zone... not like the police can be trusted with this any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Canada has a more generous welfare state.
    Well

    if that isn't just convenient. :^)

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    I am glad we can share our problems with our northern friends

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    Would be interesting to see how Canada would respond if the numbers grew into tens of thousand coming that way.

    No idea how the refugee situation in the US is like or how their borders are though, guessing this is just gonna be a tiny number?

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    If i was in the US i would apply for asylum in Canada as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupimus View Post
    Refugees from America...

    Somalians consider America to be a shithole enough to evacuate now?
    Canadian Official: Which persecution are you fleeing in America?
    Refugee: The expectation to use the opportunity given to me to get a job and pay for my own stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revi View Post
    Would be interesting to see how Canada would respond if the numbers grew into tens of thousand coming that way.

    No idea how the refugee situation in the US is like or how their borders are though, guessing this is just gonna be a tiny number?
    I have a feeling when Canada starts getting near our numbers, they'll change their tune on all things immigration in one form or another.

    While the U.S. has about 13 million undocumented immigrants, Canada has about 75,000. (The estimates range from 50,000 to over 100,000.)
    It's been so easy for Canada to "be the good guy" in saying they accept anyone, no one wants to go there. The climate of winter is not very popular to most of these migrants from hot environments, so Canada is a last choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revi View Post
    Would be interesting to see how Canada would respond if the numbers grew into tens of thousand coming that way.

    No idea how the refugee situation in the US is like or how their borders are though, guessing this is just gonna be a tiny number?
    Canada is a weird deal because so little of it is actually livable. I am unsure they can afford to be as reckless as Sweden.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Yeah a refugee in Canada gets $50k a year, house, car, weekly visit from a sex worker for life.

    In the US you get $250 a month for six months, food stamps, and a rat infested apartment where you hear gunfire nightly. Refugees are self sufficient in six months on average in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    If i was in the US i would apply for asylum in Canada as well.
    I would drive you to the boarder myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Canada is a weird deal because so little of it is actually livable. I am unsure they can afford to be as reckless as Sweden.
    Huh?

    Canada has much, much more room for people than Sweden. Canada is 22 times as large as Sweden.

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    I would drive you to the boarder myself.
    Maybe he will teach you how to spell border in the language of your country

    So you can both benefit from the operation

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    Wow, arresting those poor people for trying to do what's best for their children? I can't believe this.

    That was sarcasm by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revi View Post
    Huh?

    Canada has much, much more room for people than Sweden. Canada is 22 times as large as Sweden.
    Nunavut is called that because NONE OF IT is inhabitable practically.

    Have you been to the Yuokon Territory or any of that hellscape up north? Yeah, Somali refugees aren't going to go living up there. Greenland also has "Lots of physical space."
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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