Trump Accuses Obama of Wiretapping Trump Tower

[Wyrt]

I don't trust Trump's claims, I'm just poiting at the hypocrisy.

And bitching about an accusation is not an admission of guilt, by the way.

He wants the leakers to be found and investigated. Why would he want that if the leaks weren't real?

[Trollhammer]

This is totally out of character for Obama they would never approve wiretapping any leaders..

[Bodakane]

That's a perfectly fair point but ultimate accountability goes to Obama. Even if he just gave his OK to the affair he is still responsible.

Wire Tapping a presidential candidate in a deeply contentious election is the kind of thing that bites you in the ass. My stance on the Russia hysteria from day 1 with the recount idiocy was that it was always going to bite the Democrats in the ass.

Oh boy has it blown up in their faces.

It would be irresponsible of a President to not investigate suspected cullosion with a foreign power's attempt to influence an election.

[CostinR]

He wants the leakers to be found and investigated. Why would he want that if the leaks weren't real?

But the leaks on Russia don't show anything that's illegal. Remember the accusation is that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election. A claim for which no evidence has been found.

It would be irresponsible of a President to not investigate suspected cullosion with a foreign power's attempt to influence an election.

You can argue that. I'll argue that the way this is going to be played out by Trump and the impression people will get is that Obama was using the power of the state to target a political opponent.

It's hilarious by the way, but House of Cards literally had this same thing happen: Different reasons but Frank Underwood did use the mass surveillance state against his republican opponent.

[alexw]

But the leaks on Russia don't show anything that's illegal. Remember the accusation is that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election. A claim for which no evidence has been found.



You can argue that. I'll argue that the way this is going to be played out by Trump and the impression people will get is that Obama was using the power of the state to target a political opponent.

It's hilarious by the way, but House of Cards literally had this same thing happen: Different reasons but Frank Underwood did use the mass surveillance state against his republican opponent.

But that's not how it works. The president doesn't get to just wiretap whoever he wants. It has to go through the surveillance court, and they require evidence backed reasons for approving it.

[Skroe]

We need to make a thread where we compete in creating the most outlandish, yet realistic (for Trump) deflection / lie that Trump will come up with tomorrow. And the winner gets something, like steam credit or game time.

[CostinR]

But that's not how it works. The president doesn't get to just wiretap whoever he wants. It has to go through the surveillance court, and they require evidence backed reasons for approving it.

Arguably true, but I'm argue that in the court of public opinion this stance is not going to hold.

The American people, as shown by the polls, do not particularly care about Trump's Russia stance. It's not a big issue for them.

While they care about a president using the power of the state to wire tap a political opponent. We all know the answer to that.

[Belize]

I don't trust Trump's claims, I'm just poiting at the hypocrisy.

And bitching about an accusation is not an admission of guilt, by the way.

He's never denied any of the leaks, and even admitted they were real (but the media/news fake.... whatever that means).

Also, we've had years upon years of 'anonynous sources' that were true. The respectable part of the media aren't stupid, regardless of what bullshit Trump peddles. They doublecheck, and make sure their sources are who they say they are. Believing them over a raging, rating deranged pathoological liar really isn't hypocrisy.

Choose another hill, it isn't your time yet.

[Deleted]

From my knowledge (I'm not American) these so called talks can be seen as treason, if they promised something about sanctions etc.

But i think we are very close for some neat info, its like few weeks of leaks etc. prepared/preparing citizens for something schocking. Last news: Trump sold 40 M$ worth villa to some russian oligarch for 100M$. Looks like some bribe for me.http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/27/news...-deal-mansion/ its old story , but news is Trump was probably contacting with this guy during campaign...

[alexw]

Arguably true, but I'm argue that in the court of public opinion this stance is not going to hold.

The American people, as shown by the polls, do not particularly care about Trump's Russia stance. It's not a big issue for them.

While they care about a president using the power of the state to wire tap a political opponent. We all know the answer to that.

And now this is delusional. The only people wholeheartedly for Trump are conservatives. They will ignore reality as you suggest. Everyone else won't. There have been too many lies too much misdirection for anyone to accept anything that Trump or his camp says at face value.

[Skroe]

Arguably true, but I'm argue that in the court of public opinion this stance is not going to hold.

The American people, as shown by the polls, do not particularly care about Trump's Russia stance. It's not a big issue for them.

While they care about a president using the power of the state to wire tap a political opponent. We all know the answer to that.

LIAR! You are a liar.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/24/major...ssia-poll.html



http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...a-polls-235667
https://www.scribd.com/document/3403...-February-Poll

When it comes to the Trump-Russia issue, there are two parallel trends that should raise red flags for the White House. First, as Americans have formed opinions on the issue, it has been to Trump’s detriment. Since December, the percentage of undecided Americans on the Trump-Putin relationship has declined from 44 percent to 32 percent. At the same time, the percentage who view Trump as too friendly with the Russian leader has risen from 31 percent to 38 percent.

Moreover, while nearly two-thirds of Democrats feel Trump is too friendly with Putin, only half (52 percent) of Republicans feel he isn’t too friendly with his Russian counterpart. Independents are unsure about Trump’s relationship with Putin — but more feel they are too friendly (35 percent) than think they aren’t (27 percent).

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Voters were split along partisan lines, however, on the issue’s significance. Overall, just under half of voters, 47 percent, said alleged Russian involvement in the election is “very important,” while a further 18 percent said it is “somewhat important.” Nine-in-10 Democratic voters called it either very or somewhat important, but only 35 percent of Republicans agreed. Among independents, 63 percent agree it is very or somewhat important.

That took 10 seconds Costin. You're being a shifty Trump apologist again. Out of the thread. Scram.

[RobertMugabe]

Doesn't matter if it's true or not. His sheep will believe it anyways and only this matters.

[Heltoray]

With respect: Obama did get caught with his pants down when it came to mass surveilance and lying to the America public about it. Obama also tapped the phones of many foreign leaders including his top ally Merkel.

Could he have done it? Yes. Would he have done it? Yes.

Obama's IRS did target conservative groups during the 2012 election.

True or not though this is the Trump deciding to go full offensive mode against the Russia story.



Because there's so many credible sources to back up the claims of collusion between Trump and Putin right? Claims of Russian election interference have evidence and sources, claims of collusion do not and yet they've been played by the media and democrats as if they do.

Welcome to politics.

I'm not sure what to say about this. I guess Trump could tell you that he had no mother and gave birth to himself. You guys would still believe and defend it. I am at a loss for words about this level of pure stupidity. Whatever Obama COULD have POSSIBLY done, it is nothing in comparison to the crap this dumbass and his dumbass staff did within a single month.

[Dragon Claws]

Trump is really desperate to change the topic, roflmao. Like he can't possibly expect this mischief to work, right? Is he new at this?

We're getting close to the truth.

Because there's so many credible sources to back up the claims of collusion between Trump and Putin right?

[Skroe]

Because there's so many credible sources to back up the claims of collusion between Trump and Putin right?

Yes. Actually.

[Dragon Claws]

Yes. Actually.

Judging from the survey a few posts above, it's a laughably low priority to the American people. Good for them.

[Skroe]

Nothing worth being suspicious about folks!

[Belize]

Doesn't matter if it's true or not. His sheep will believe it anyways and only this matters.

His flock is thinning by the day at this point.

[Skroe]

Judging from the survey a few posts above, it's a laughably low priority to the American people. Good for them.

53% say investigate, 25% say don't.

You're bad at math.

[CostinR]

LIAR! You are a liar.

You're full of it as usual:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...a-polls-235667

Trump administration’s relationship with Russia doesn’t rate among the public’s most important issues facing the country. The Russia issue didn’t even register in Gallup’s tracking of the most important problem facing the U.S. last month.

That's my point and I'm sticking with it. That's what I mean by big issue: This is not the thing that keeps people awake at night.

Do people believe this should be investigated? Sure, I never claimed otherwise. What I did claim and maintain that is not the thing people care most about, that it is not at the top of their priorities.

So screw off with your anti-Trump hysteria posting. I've produced facts time and time again to back my assertions and unlike you and your narrow minded pathetic anti-Trump posting I care about this because of situation in Eastern Europe.

MEANWHILE from Politico:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-phones-235679

It appears that the crux of the argument comes from reporting that U.S. officials secretly monitored a computer server in Trump Tower to determine if there were links to Russian banks. A New York Times article published on Jan. 19 – just one day before Trump’s inauguration – reported that U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies had intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a probe of links between Trump’s campaign and Russian officials.

There has been no definitive reporting, however, that any phone lines belonging to the Trump campaign were tapped.

Trump and his team have been dogged by allegations of communications between his campaign and Russian intelligence officials that occurred as Russians were allegedly attempting to tilt the election in Trump’s favor by hacking Democratic targets.