Shaun King - The Democratic Party seems to have no earthly idea why it is so damn unp

[Deathquoi]

What is the last big project that the republicans have accomplished?

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So what does that say about Trump then?

I never said the Republicans accomplished anything. They're no more effective at governing than the Democrats. But they convince people to vote for them because people think they have nothing to lose by electing Republicans. Then the Republicans take office and gut entitlements to fund tax cuts for their rich pals and everyone is surprised.

[NED funded]

Seems like a bit of a leap to say most people are right-wing and hold conservative values from a simple favourable/unfavourable poll. Even if the poll did show that, the difference isn't all that big. The fact the Democratic party isn't left wing could be what contributes to it's unfravourability, they've tried the middle and the right, time for some of the left. They just don't really have many people in control that champion that kind of policy direction.

This are the numbers:

Very liberal: 10% (Bernie is here)
liberal: 14%
Moderates: 32
Conservatives: 23
Very Conservatives: 15

Other questions go even deeper stating that most people view religion as something important in their lives, agree that the ACA shouod be repealed, et. Remind me again the definition of insanity? The DNC doesn't need to move farther to the left it needs to moderate and get rid of its campus socialists.

[ItachiZaku]

They are just too soft. How can anyone expect them to lead a country if they can't even climb a set of stairs without help.

We living in dangerous times of constant muslim terrorist threats and democrats ain't not gonna cut it to protect your children.

They are unpopular, because they are no good.


[Infracted]

Not sure why this was infracted, unless something was removed. This is pretty spot on. We were force fed one candidate... probably the worst possible candidate possible, and people were surprised she lost? I can't even even anymore. She's a very weak minded person in an abusive relationship and the triggered left wanted so hard for her to win, when they had several better candidates that were too scared to fight against corporate hillary. WTF.

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So the alt-right and all the Bernie Bros agree that the Democrat Party has a electability problem due to corporate influence. Yet the Republican Party has even deeper corporate influence, and has no problem winning elections.

Why the double standard?

The pubs don't pretend to be that which they are not. We know they are, they boast about it. The Craps are suppose to be the peoples people, yet when you roll out a clear republican like hillary... the people weren't buying that brand of bullshit.

[Damajin]

So the alt-right and all the Bernie Bros agree that the Democrat Party has a electability problem due to corporate influence. Yet the Republican Party has even deeper corporate influence, and has no problem winning elections.

Why the double standard?

Bernie Sander's town hall today in coal country was neat. Other than promoting the Bernie Sanders brand, I don't see him recruiting candidates to run under the Socialist banner.

It's just general nature of affinity for the right. There's people who'll pull the lever for the R just because it's incremental steps towards their goals, whereas pulling for the D is taking steps back.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

Criticism is not inherently condescension, yet any criticism of the voters is taken as such, because now instead of safely bashing politicians, you're talking about the reader, who is probably a voter, and they feel really uncomfortable when anyone suggests that maybe they aren't as fucking brilliant and wonderful as they thought they were. You can't question someone's sincerely held beliefs, the sort of beliefs that inform one's choice of who to vote for, because when you do that, you question their worth as a person. It may make for a hell of a self-defense mechanism for one's ego, but it makes for an extremely poor citizen when said citizen is an active participant in government.

What you said was pretty condescending. I know you may not care what I have to say, but you're essentially calling anyone who doesn't vote democrat a moron, because OF COURSE they should know better, and OF COURSE the dems are right etc etc. I wish Trump didn't get elected, but there are plenty of reason to dislike Clinton. Like others said, you are just proving the article in the OP correct,

[Ghostpanther]

Not sure why this was infracted, unless something was removed. This is pretty spot on. We were force fed one candidate... probably the worst possible candidate possible, and people were surprised she lost? I can't even even anymore. She's a very weak minded person in an abusive relationship and the triggered left wanted so hard for her to win, when they had several better candidates that were too scared to fight against corporate hillary. WTF.

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Sometimes the truth can offend others.

I think the article is spot on. The Democratic party has gone off the deep end. Run by the wrong people for this country imo. Trying to represent the popular opinion which resigns basically in a few states, rather than the heartland of the country. You can not win the election here by only carrying California and New York and a few other states.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

Even if I have a pretty good idea why it happens, it's still a bit hard to really accept just how adamant everyone is that the voters could never possibly be even the tiniest part of the problem, despite being an integral part of the system.

Mainly because this implies the DNC/Clinton/Democrats aren't actually to blame, its just the stupid voters! They want the country to fail... etc

[Daelak]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2993659



Shaun King is pretty hit-or-miss when it comes to his commentary, and I've found just as much I disagree with as I agree with. But IMO this is a pretty great quick look at the problems the DNC is facing, and their complete lack of any direction.

If nothing else, the polling numbers are pretty incredible. The DNC is even more disliked than Congress, though at least it's also more popular so...it's a wash? >.>

Because right wing propaganda, in conjunction with one of our most hostile adversaries, Russia, has successfully flooded the public sphere with disinformation and outright falsehoods against the democratic party, science, and objective, fact-based news and history. Make no mistake, this is all deliberate and unsurprising, since the US right-wing has always been authoritarian and neo-confederate. They want to nullify and negate the authority of the federal government to ensure minority populations in conservative states have no recourse in redressing their grievances, and that progressive populations in the country cannot effectively govern their states due to no federal protections.

They are weakening the US's position around the world, and they have the same ends as Putin's Russia does, to fragment existing alliances and democratic ideals to ensure chaos and that their special interests can run roughshod over peoples' rights.

[SirBeef]

For all their flaws, the current unpopularity of the Democrats should be taken as a sweeping indictment of the electorate at large.

Except the Dems won the popular vote, gained seats in the house and senate.

[Darththeo]

The pubs don't pretend to be that which they are not. We know they are, they boast about it. The Craps are suppose to be the peoples people, yet when you roll out a clear republican like hillary... the people weren't buying that brand of bullshit.

Why? It worked in 2008 with Obama. Seriously, when people tell me Obama was liberal ... I am like "What? Why he fight for a fucking conservative health plan that just gives more money to health insurance companies?"

[CostinR]

So this is the part that will defeat Trump. Call me impressed.

Crucially their public support has collapsed recently. Look at the trends lines from HuffPost

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/...vorable-rating

[Ghostpanther]

Except the Dems won the popular vote, gained seats in the house and senate.

Popular votes here in a election are limited to the states. Does not mean shit when it comes to the Presidential race. True, they did gain a few seats in congress. But are still the minority and overall across the nation, they lost big time. We now have the most Republican governors than we have had since 1922. The thing for the democratic party to do is not sit on a very small gain in congress, but to look at the overall picture.

[ItachiZaku]

Why? It worked in 2008 with Obama. Seriously, when people tell me Obama was liberal ... I am like "What? Why he fight for a fucking conservative health plan that just gives more money to health insurance companies?"

He wasn't overall as cuntified. We all knew he was a cunt, just look at the shit state he came from. He just wasn't in wall streets pocket as deeply.

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Sometimes the truth can offend others.

I think the article is spot on. The Democratic party has gone off the deep end. Run by the wrong people for this country imo. Trying to represent the popular opinion which resigns basically in a few states, rather than the heartland of the country. You can not win the election here by only carrying California and New York and a few other states.

As much as I dislike the EC, I don't want someone, anyone winning 45 states, but getting trucked in California, Texas, Florida, New York and Georgia and therefore losing the election.

[Ghostpanther]

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As much as I dislike the EC, I don't want someone, anyone winning 45 states, but getting trucked in California, Texas, Florida, New York and Georgia and therefore losing the election.

I understand. But the EC is what it is and the chances of it getting amended in the Constitution is about zero if one understands how the amendment process is done. This is why the democrats need to change their strategy and think of what they need to do not based on popular opinions, but rather how the Constitution works. In other words, what is good for the whole nation of the United States of America.

[Daelak]

So this is the part that will defeat Trump. Call me impressed.

Crucially their public support has collapsed recently. Look at the trends lines from HuffPost

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/...vorable-rating

Aligns perfectly with the late 2015, 2016 Russian and US right wing disinformation campaigns.

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Popular votes here in a election are limited to the states. Does not mean shit when it comes to the Presidential race. True, they did gain a few seats in congress. But are still the minority and overall across the nation, they lost big time. We now have the most Republican governors than we have had since 1922. The thing for the democratic party to do is not sit on a very small gain in congress, but to look at the overall picture.

And the overall picture is showing a country whose democratic processes and engagement are in decline. Republican wins in these states happened when LESS people voted, MORE voting restrictions were put in place. We are sliding AWAY from democracy, moving towards what conservatives have always wanted since their ideology landed in Charleston in the late 1600's.

[CostinR]

Aligns perfectly with the late 2015, 2016 Russian and US right wing disinformation campaigns.

Yeah because Russia is what helped the Republicans decimate the Democrats in 2010 and 2014.

Shouting Russia, Russia, Russia will never win you elections. Take it from an Eastern European where Russia has always sought to influence elections: It doesn't work and only makes your side look maniacal.

[Daelak]

Yeah because Russia is what helped the Republicans decimate the Democrats in 2010 and 2014.

Shouting Russia, Russia, Russia will never win you elections. Take it from an Eastern European where Russia has always sought to influence elections: It doesn't work and only makes your side look maniacal.

Disinformation most certainly helped republicans win in 2010 and 2014. Right wing groups, blogs, 501c3's, etc. piggybacked on the efforts of Russian misinformation campaigns to inundate the public with fables and conspiracies.

[CostinR]

Disinformation most certainly helped republicans win in 2010 and 2014. Right wing groups, blogs, 501c3's, etc. piggybacked on the efforts of Russian misinformation campaigns to inundate the public with fables and conspiracies.

Everyone lies in elections. Crying about it won't help your side win.

[Ghostpanther]

Everyone lies in elections. Crying about it won't help your side win.

So true and they will lose even worse in the upcoming elections if all they want to do is blame the Russians rather then face the real reasons they lost.

[Deleted]

Well, they need another Obama or Bill Cinton basically.
Someone with charisma and communication skills.

People will mostly vote for the candidate and not for the party, so make sure you have the best possible candidate or I can guarantee Trump will get another term, even with all his antics.