i quit raiding today myself. mythic NH is not worth it. ive seen people in full heroic gear with higher ilevel than me, in a 5/10 guild, spending 9+ hours a week raiding. they need to remove TF, and make progression in raiding a thing again.
i quit raiding today myself. mythic NH is not worth it. ive seen people in full heroic gear with higher ilevel than me, in a 5/10 guild, spending 9+ hours a week raiding. they need to remove TF, and make progression in raiding a thing again.
Idk why I find the Heroic format so appealing compared to Mythic.
Mythic raiding feels like a chore, I took part in a hardcore guild on my realm and they had a very steady roster. However, I quit after 3 raids which didn't even go bad, we made some decent progress. I just felt super bummed out for some reason, I didn't enjoy myself. In TBC I'd voluntarily stay for extended progression days and I had a fucking blast.
Lets face it fam - we all thought blizzard was going to kill our beloved WoW.. who knew it would be the game itself, that beat the nubs. Ggclose, the games the same game - people just can't handle leaving/getting tired of it?
so quit mythic raiding
just heroic raid with a guild 2-3 days max
pray titanforge RNG
have within 5-10 ilvl of the mythic raider in most cases.
have free time to go play other games or watch your favorite tv shows again..
2-3 days max?
Heroic can be cleared in 1,5 hour... And then we're coming to the point is that still worth 15$ per month. Yes, you can spend countless more hours doing unfun grinds but we're paying to have fun, not the opposite.
Mythic raiding used to provide around 8-16 hours a week of challenging, rewarding content. This was not too little, not too much, and you could adjust the slider picking a guild with more or less raids per week. This is no longer the case. There is no moderation in this expansion and rewarding doesn't go in par with challenging (not just in raiding, why there isn't any reward for m+20 or m+25? there just isn't)
shoots well a lot of the guilds on my server are like either 3/10M and require 3 days or some are like 7/10 H and require 2-3 days so I'm thinking join some guild thats around 7/10H etc to feel a sense of progression by the time they finish 10/10 H and have full ez farm status TOS will be right around the corner and you'll prevent mythic raiding burnout.
True its $15 a month and to just raid heroic and M+15 I'd say it might be worth it if you have a nice guild and active friends. If you play solo and pug like I do then you question your monthly sub each month but I still have just enough gold each month made to buy 1 sub token at a time ( Got around 120k and its 90k for a sub atm).
I do agree M+ should have been a viable alternative to raiding instead of just a stepping stone and RNG titanforge hotspot that helps you in raiding. If M+ was a viable alternative (you earn currency after M+ end to buy equivalent gear from higher end raiding) then you could have people who still play hardcore and feel progression just pushing mythics instead of raiding . Mythic+ sets anyone I'd resub for just being a M+ raider not a actual large scale 20man raider.
not true - its not problem with mythic + - its problem with mythic crybabies who spend 3 months in mythic + instead spending 2 weeks in there - its their own problem that they used what was supposed to be alternate gearing path as their primary gearing path - its their own fault and they have only themselves to blame for.
I think most people in WoW have problems to control themself ...
Im not in a Burnout or anything - because i simply dont stress myself. I play WoW in an Semi-Progress.
Its true, the Game is now more time comsuming. but as an casual/semi progress raider you simply dont need to max out your artifact as soon as possible.
If you still bring your perfomance then its okay. AP should give you some progression beside Raids or PvP - its good when its maxed but its simply not need to.
For me as an example, because of my exams i was 2 months away from the game so my artefact is now only 50 - and im doing quite good with my holy priest.
It was not even an problem for me, my logs are good (at least i think so) and i dont had the feeling i was far behind.
So my tip is to just enjoy the game, and dont focus to much on M+ Grinds or anything else, in most cases you dont need it besides hardcore progress. So just chill
yes, cause something you can run infinitely that rewards good gear wasn't going to be abused? I saw that shit coming from a mile away. M+ needs caps on runs that get you gear, then after that cap you only get AP/increased cache loot from higher mythic+ dungeons. You're essentially guaranteed a piece of loot from every M+ you finish in time...I'm not guaranteed a piece of loot off every boss in nighthold and then it has a weekly lockout.
Last edited by RuneDK; 2017-03-20 at 12:02 PM.
and ? if they chose to abuse it its the fault not blizzard - its not blizzard job to take cater of people who have such lack of control - honestly f... them game will be better without them , and they will be more mentaly stable without game (maybe will look for proffesional help that they clearly need imidiately) - win win situation to me.
if you see alcohol addict who drinks a bottle of vodka a day you dont limit him to 2 bottles a beer a day hoping he will be less addicted this way - you send him to rehab - and so should do blizzard with those people
Last edited by kamuimac; 2017-03-20 at 12:09 PM.
This is not a problem of people not being able to control themselves. It's a real, existing situation in the game.
Like one of my guild mates getting his first legendary from an emissary chest, not even noticing it before I have congratulated him in guild chat. He was barely running heroic dungeons at that point, and the only mythic0 dungeons he finished have been the ones where I made the group and helped him out with tactics (he plays tank btw). I have been in many more dungeons (heroics / mythics), have killed more bosses in LFR and had one odd Xavius kill, but my first legendary followed weeks later. While my overall item level still was better than his, even without the legendary, it's still a strange thing to witness. When effort means nothing and luck is everything, then many people just stop to care and move to other things where their efforts actually matter.
This is the reason why I stopped to care about most things in WoW. I don't feel like I will achieve anything by putting in effort. So I take the easiest path and this is it.
I feel like to avoid this to bring prestige to doing harder content blizzard should have put the legendaries on a vendor and give you x amount of a point system to buy them. You might get 1 point doing WQs/emisarry and more doing higher end content like M+ scaling points and heroic raiding even. After every boss kill kind of how we looted those 80 lingering soul quest for artifact quest line. Have the item be like 100 points or something etc that way you can decide what content you want to do for your legendary piece. In that case your guildie would only have like 10 points towards one and you'd have like double since you do harder stuff more often.
The mythic high end raiders would of course probably have bought a lot of their legendaries due to excessive no life farming but they represent a small minority now in 2017.
At least it gives something to word towards that you can see.
now titanforge is another problem..
The gearing system in WOW is not comparable to alcoholism. The person addicted to alcohol doesn't improve themselves the more they drink.
Infinite anything in WOW that progresses your character is flat out bad and shouldn't be in the game. I called for caps to M+ loot and AP in early October because the kind of problems they cause are entirely foreseeable.
I'm in the same situation, recently decided to just slow down a bit and spend 80% of my gametime raiding and 20% doing a 15 and micro holidays/auction house/transmog here and there. The game is more fun and exciting when you take actual breaks from it. Problem is that most players feel "stuck" with their main and feel like they HAVE to keep doing things. But it should never feel like that, even if you're like 40/54 or something.
7.2 is gonna be pretty grind-y again, there's gonna be even more traits, gear from new m+ dungeons, a new raid altogether etc. I would strongly advise people who don't "need" to grind anything to just slow down for the next few weeks, you'll thank yourself later when you actually enjoy 7.2 and don't feel unstimulated and bored while playing.
But if i get you right, then its not even an burnout ... this is then called "i dont care anymore"
the OP means he is burning out bcs of the M+ farmin, farming, grinding, grinding.
for me these are differents. i also suffer from bad luck. But i dont grind for it ^^
if i get something, then i get something. The chances to get something good is equal to if im grinding or not grinding.