New documents show Trump aide laundered payments from party with Moscow ties.

[mickybrighteyes]

We had Russian spies kicked out of US in 2010, for trying to influence US politicians. This didn't just start with Trump. I also don't have a clue what you mean with Syria being Vietnam, unless you are completely lost in knowing what either are. Is Trump starting a Cold War for now twice trying to pass a flight ban on a country where Russia is actively building nuclear reactors?

Absurd assertions are still absurd...

A fight over a country that doesn't really matter so much as who else has their fingers in the mess trying to have their way in the world? A fight that the public relaly doesn't want but has to deal with in some shape or form and the actual fighting is restrained almost pointlessly cause one or more sides might escalate activities with other parties due to the outcome in the region?

[Barnabas]

Yeah, which is a good thing for a country doing it and sucks when it succeeds in your. As an American, I'm sorry I'm not laughing, like Russian officials were when Trump won.

I still haven't met a republican that was told by any russian to vote for trump. I probably never will either. Clinton was the worst choice.

[PC2]

And as a pro-Trump, anti-Hillary supporter - you have no right to call that as you yourself have been the biggest wolf cryer ever "Benghazi!!! Benghazi!!! No, really, Benghazi!!!"

You're thinking of someone else. I have never said Benghazi on this forum until right now. These forums have an advanced tool search so you could have easily checked your claim.

They don't care. It's about identity.

The comment did not delve into identity politics much. Identity politics is based on demographics as opposed to events and policy positions. Intersectionality being the pinnacle of identity politics.

Identity Politics

Identity politics, also called identitarian politics, refers to political positions based on the interests and perspectives of social groups with which people identify. Identity politics includes the ways in which people's politics may be shaped by aspects of their identity through loosely correlated social organizations. Examples include social organizations based on age, social class or caste, culture, dialect, disability, education, ethnicity, language, nationality, sex, gender identity, generation, occupation, profession, race, religion, sexual orientation, settlement, urban and rural habitation, and veteran status. Not all members of any given group are involved in identity politics.

The term identity politics came into being during the latter part of the 20th century, during the Civil Rights Era. During this time period, identity politics was used by a minority group to form a coalition with members of the majority.

[Felya]

A fight over a country that doesn't really matter so much as who else has their fingers in the mess trying to have their way in the world? A fight that the public relaly doesn't want but has to deal with in some shape or form and the actual fighting is restrained almost pointlessly cause one or more sides might escalate activities with other parties due to the outcome in the region?

How many US soldiers died in Syria? How many died in Vietnam? The two wars have nothing in common. We are not Syria to stop the spread of an ideology.

[satimy]

Vladimir Putin would have won the election over Hilary

[mickybrighteyes]

I still haven't met a republican that was told by any russian to vote for trump. I probably never will either. Clinton was the worst choice.

That's now how it works. influence these days is done more indirectly. But yeah... I agree Hillary was the worst choice. Should have been looking at Trump and Bernie on the Ballot... and Deez Nuts (who was by a large more well liked than most the other candidates running).

[Felya]

I still haven't met a republican that was told by any russian to vote for trump. I probably never will either. Clinton was the worst choice.

When your expectations is to explicitly meet a Republican, who was told by Russian to tell you Hillary was a worse choice... I would not expect it to be met... otherwise, blind adherence to 'Hillary was worse' just serves as an example of their success...

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Vladimir Putin would have won the election over Hilary

No shit... no one is denying that... the point is how successful he was of doing just that...

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That's now how it works. influence these days is done more indirectly. But yeah... I agree Hillary was the worst choice. Should have been looking at Trump and Bernie on the Ballot... and Deez Nuts (who was by a large more well liked than most the other candidates running).

Your eyes are too bright, if you think Trump and Bernie share any ideology or voting ballot.

[Barnabas]

That's now how it works. influence these days is done more indirectly. But yeah... I agree Hillary was the worst choice. Should have been looking at Trump and Bernie on the Ballot... and Deez Nuts (who was by a large more well liked than most the other candidates running).

Still not seeing the "indirectly" either. Clinton has been around long enough to damage herself far more than wikileaks or comey reopening the investigation of her email things.

[melodramocracy]

I don't understand what the big deal is, so he Got Russia to back his campaign. Well Good for him, convincing them to fork over money. I don't care if North Korea gave him money. That just makes him a good business man getting money out of out "Enemies". It still does not affect me in the slightest who won, My reasons for not wanting Obama to win are the same as not wanting Hillary to win. I am sick of the Democratic way of "lets just give shit to everyone" That will teach them how to be good Tax Paying citizens.

See, this is what puzzles me. I'm not sure how anyone, no matter where you sit on the political compass, can accept a president who:

-has zero prior political or governance experience
-has close associates, many of whom have / had indisputable contact to various Russian officials or persons of interest leading up to the election (several of which were engaged in illegal monetary transactions)
-has admitted to having favorable relations with the president of an arguable enemy of the US (2013 interview)
-engages in nepotism (a very clear violation of US law)
-blatantly wastes taxpayer dollars with unneeded travel and additional family security
-shows evidence of continuing personal business practices (conflicts of interest)
-routinely makes statements meant to mislead or misdirect the audience (numerous instances)

How is any of that acceptable? This goes beyond personal politics, and simply into a matter of competence. His presidency is unacceptable. Anyone, regardless of political party, engaging in the above is unacceptable, period.

[Barnabas]

When your expectations is to explicitly meet a Republican, who was told by Russian to tell you Hillary was a worse choice... I would not expect it to be met... otherwise, blind adherence to 'Hillary was worse' just serves as an example of their success...

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No shit... no one is denying that... the point is how successful he was of doing just that...

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Your eyes are too bright, if you think Trump and Bernie share any ideology or voting ballot.

She has had a long political career. You live in this fantasy world that everyone loves her but some russians can bring her down. It's BS. She lost on her own merits.

[NineSpine]

Curtesy of c-span


in short.... stated, on teh record, confirmation that the server wasn't authorized.

edit:

as to the original list you asked for. Gen Petraeus, Sandy Berger, and Chelsea (or bradley if you refuse to use their chosen name) Manning. I'd add Snoden as well, but I'm not sure if he's wanted more for leaking the information or obtaining it.

Patreus intentionally walked information to a woman he was having an affair with. Manning intentionally leaked documents to Wikileaks. Berger removed and destroyed physical documents. The fact that you think any of this comparable means you are either delusional in the extreme or just don't care about reality.

Comey said she wasn't authorized to have a private email server, not that she wasn't authorized to use a private email server for classified information. Those aren't the same thing.

[mickybrighteyes]

Your eyes are too bright, if you think Trump and Bernie share any ideology or voting ballot.

I didn't say they were running together...

they should have been the top contenders in the running. NOT Trump and Clinton with a handful of people less than 1% of the population knew the names of.

I knew it was going to be a shit show when the top names were Trump, Clinton, Bush... some guy who lost a lot of weight and got a bridge closed (Christie), a guy known for conspiracy theories and sitting around with Alex Jones (Rand), The only decent seeming female to ACTUALLY try for the POTUS (Jill Stein you will know her name damn it), and Gary Johnson... probably my favorite cause he faked a heart attack when he got bored in an interview. Oh and Bernie Sanders, but he got canned somehow in the primaries for I can't figure that the hell out...

want a conspiracy? figure out how Bernie wound up feeling the burn then.

[cubby]

I bet he hasn't. He's smart enough to know he needs insurance.

You mean Bannon will keep it, but hidden, in case (and when) Trump turns on him?

[Daelak]

I still haven't met a republican that was told by any russian to vote for trump. I probably never will either. Clinton was the worst choice.

But likely republican voters like you, a white, male, working class income, was definitely targeted by the Russian misinformation campaign that US conservative media used in conjunction with their usual conspiracy hillary is a murderer babble, which was successful in galvanizing antipathy towards her. Both The Kremlin and US conservative media are complicit in pushing slander and lies into the public sphere about Clinton.

[Dextroden]

But likely republican voters like you, a white, male, working class income, was definitely targeted by the Russian misinformation campaign that US conservative media used in conjunction with their usual conspiracy hillary is a murderer babble, which was successful in galvanizing antipathy towards her. Both The Kremlin and US conservative media are complicit in pushing slander and lies into the public sphere about Clinton.

Is this the equivalent of the liberal Jew media conspiracies?

[NineSpine]

Is this the equivalent of the liberal Jew media conspiracies?

This reminds me of when my granfather told me Occupy Wall Street was anti-semitic because it was against the banks and the banks are run by the Jews. it's just such a profoundly stupid thing to say that it defeats itself.

[Daelak]

Is this the equivalent of the liberal Jew media conspiracies?

No, that is actual real established fact that intelligence agencies reported on. What, you really thought homegrown US conservatives made up the Pizzagate conspiracy? That's classic KGB. US conservative media is responsible for the "Hillary and Bill are responsible for the murders of dozens of people since Arkansas" shtick.

[Bodakane]

You mean Bannon will keep it, but hidden, in case (and when) Trump turns on him?

More or less. I don't know that Trump will "turn" on him (cause I think he's pretty fucking oblivious and arrogant) but more like Bannon will use the info to pin it on Trump.

[The Stormbringer]

I have a hard time accepting that Trump knew anything about anything at any time.

You got a good chuckle out of me there, mate. Well played.

[Vargur]

Was this linked already? https://www.apnews.com/122ae0b584834...tin-Government'