I was surprised to learn some time ago that it still was present in the US schools. Pretty Orwellian element... Out with it!
I was surprised to learn some time ago that it still was present in the US schools. Pretty Orwellian element... Out with it!
It actually fits quite well with the true purpose of US schools (not the stated purpose). The true purpose of schools being to break people that have any trace of individual thought, and mold them to be "obedient workers" who are subservient to the government and large corporations.
Removed? Nah, but it should only be voluntary...and de-stigmatized for not wanting to say it.
The funny thing about the "Bring back pray in school" or the "Put pray back in school" crowd is that you can pray in school now. No one is (generally) going to stop you from lowering your head and saying a quiet prayer to bless your lunch or to do good on a test.
What they want is to make everyone else do it.
Man I've never seen anyone fail at Godwining a thread before... this one keeps on rolling.
I guess we should stop playing the national anthem too the Nazi's did it. The Nazi's had a flag! OMG get rid of all flags!!! The Nazi's drink milk, ate bacon, and ate eggs!! OMG kill all the cows, pigs, and chickens too!! They symbolize Nazi's!
Geesh get your head out of the sand and think....
I don't care one way or the other if its removed, but I do think "under god" should be removed.
I don't think there is anything wrong with instilling national pride in elementary school kids, though.
I don't see any value in destroying our traditions. I think it's important to remember where we come from and how far we've come. I also don't think there's anything wrong with trying to instill patriotism in the youth. Is it indoctrination? Yes. I'd also argue that not all indoctrination is harmful though. We also indoctrinate our kids to not murder people. I think that is definitely a good thing, so calling it propaganda or indoctrination is really nothing more than a deflection and that doesn't hold much weight with me.
I would be okay with removing the "Under God" line, as it's not part of the original. I absolutely don't want the pledge removed from schools though.
In fact, seeing how a lot of college age kids think these days, how they can't think critically and either end up thinking America is the worst country ever or the best, I think our public education could do with some reform. We should really do better with trying to teach kids the absolute best and worst parts of American history, to try and give a balanced and realistic perspective.
Imo, kids should come out of public education with a positive view of American, but with the understanding that the country is not perfect and has never been perfect.
Pledge of Butthurt should be added as this planet's logo. Everything has to cater to everyone now.
Chicken fried rice is delicious!
Blind faith can lead you over a cliff.
Teaching people to take pride in their country isn't bad but it shouldn't be forced. A country and it's people should earn a person's loyalty. When a people think they are right by default then they tend to take any dissent as wrong. You can see a lot of it in today's politics. Polarization, "us vs them", that kind of nonsense. Take a look at Trump's rhetoric with his "the people" nonsense and you'll get an idea of how things can start to go wrong.
http://constitutionus.com/
Find ONE reference in here to God or Christianity, i dare you. Because CTRL + F finds nothing. Sorry you dont like it.
Most of the founding fathers weren't christians at all. They were in fact deists, who were fleeing persecution by christians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
Officially? Maybe not. I was suspended in HS for not saying the "under god" part one time when the teacher noticed I wasn't saying it. When asked I said I didn't believe in God. I was suspended for the reason of disrupting class. I find it a waste of time entirely and after being suspended I stopped saying the whole thing all together. Liberty and Justice when I got in trouble for not saying 2 words? Freedom of speech wasn't strong in that one.
No where in our Constitution does it state that. Yes there were colonies that were founded as christian, but that ended with the founding of the country.
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Loyalty depends on faith, whether it's warranted or not. I wasn't meaning faith as in religion.
Patriotism isn't necessarily "bad". And that is what Americans have. Simply because you can't understand it doesn't make it "bad".
You are certainly welcomed to your opinion. As is everyone else.
Yes, I know there are more Europeans in this forum than Americans. The odds are in my favor being correct wouldn't you agree?
BTW, the pledge is still winning despite those odds. Only 55 to "remove" and 89 to not remove it. A 1.62:1 ratio. One might even call it a landslide victory.
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