Trump Signs Order Undoing Policies Obama's Clean Energy Plan

[alexw]

*thumbs up. You go Trump! Jobs is also one thing people need now and cheaper energy. This action helps with those.

Translation : A retiree/boomer who wont have to live through the consequences giving a big fuck you to the next generation because he wants cheap energy costs *thumbs up*.

[Ghostpanther]

Keep dreaming.

This won't bring back jobs.

If coal mining jobs are so great, why don't you go work in a coal mine?

If anything, this will kill clean energy jobs or cede those jobs to China.

This is about an anti-intellectual nutjob destroying the planet because he desperately needs a political win.

Dreams are important. And if I was having issues in the area I wanted a job at, I would certainly look into coal mining if it was the most promising offer around for the best wage and future for my family.

But since I am retired that is not a concern. But I have worked on some pretty stressful, dirty jobs before and having grown up as a migrant farm worker, I know what that means. I think picking peaches was the worse, the fuzz can itch like crazy! lol!

[Garnier Fructis]

Dreams are important. And if I was having issues in the area I wanted a job at, I would certainly look into coal mining if it was the most promising offer around for the best wage and future for my family.

But since I am retired that is not a concern. But I have worked on some pretty stressful, dirty jobs before and having grown up as a migrant farm worker, I know what that means. I think picking peaches was the worse, the fuzz can itch like crazy! lol!

Where the heck are you getting the excessive amounts of optimism necessary to repeated dance around the points that 1) those jobs aren't coming back and 2) this is going to kill more jobs.

[Kujako]

So according to the numbers i just heard.

70.000 coal jobs, which of most aren't coming back due to automation vs 500.000 jobs in renewable energy, which the president is reducing funding for. Seems to me a job killing regulation.

Coal jobs are not coming back, because fracking is cheaper. Something that you would think the "free market" Republicans would understand.

[Ghostpanther]

Where the heck are you getting the excessive amounts of optimism necessary to repeated dance around the points that 1) those jobs aren't coming back and 2) this is going to kill more jobs.

Time will prove who is right in this case. Not saying all the coal miners are going to get their jobs back, but several will. And I do think it will lead to cheaper energy costs for the consumers. But once again, time proves all things.

[Paranoid Android]

Translation : A retiree/boomer who wont have to live through the consequences giving a big fuck you to the next generation because he wants cheap energy costs *thumbs up*.

Translation: Another uninformed voter, who does not know the real numbers behind the coal industry.

People such as that poster, should have his Presidential voting privileges revoked for next two elections for being this obtuse.

[Ghostpanther]

Coal jobs are not coming back, because fracking is cheaper. Something that you would think the "free market" Republicans would understand.

Fracking is going to continue. Opening up the coal mines is not going to stop that. But even fracking has it's downsides when it comes to the environment.

[Paranoid Android]

Time will prove who is right in this case. Not saying all the coal miners are going to get their jobs back, but several will. And I do think it will lead to cheaper energy costs for the consumers. But once again, time proves all things.

Seriously, your options are so ill informed.

[Kujako]

Fracking is going to continue. Opening up the coal mines is not going to stop that. But even fracking has it's downsides when it comes to the environment.

The coal mines will not be opened, because the energy from coal is not cost competitive with natural gas from fracking.

[Ghostpanther]

Translation: Another uninformed voter, who does not know the real numbers behind the coal industry.

People such as that poster, should have his Presidential voting privileges revoked for next two elections for being this obtuse.

ROFL. Write your congressman and complain. I am sure he/she will take you serous.

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The coal mines will not be opened, because the energy from coal is not cost competitive with natural gas from fracking.

Like I said, we shall see.

[Paranoid Android]

Fracking is going to continue. Opening up the coal mines is not going to stop that. But even fracking has it's downsides when it comes to the environment.

So you just contradicted all your previous posts about the coal industry and jobs.

I'm serious you should not be able to vote for next two elections.

[araine]

Good

We need more coal jobs. That is the biggest growing industry ever.

Said no sane person ever

[Tico]

Pretty bad news for the mankind. If we let this happen. It is not depending on president, or some people.

[Ghostpanther]

So you just contradicted all your previous posts about the coal industry and jobs.

I'm serious you should not be able to vote for next two elections.

Na and I am serous, write to your congressman or woman and try to get a change in place for voting. Otherwise you are just blowing a bunch of hot air.

[GennGreymane]

Said no sane person ever

Fake news!
SAD!
I am the most sane person ever, I am very sane.

[nacixems]

Great news for America, undoing all of King Obama's sillyness. clean water, plenty of SJW & hill-da-beast lovers tears to drink, lol

[Garnier Fructis]

Good, just because he doesn't believe in leftist propaganda that hasn't even been proven doesn't mean hes anti-science. And even assuming it's all 100% true, I don't think that our taxpayers should pay more for so called "green energy" while the rest of the world keeps polluting. It's a waste of money and doesn't even do anything positive.

Assuming that it's true, which it is, your followup reasoning is nonsense. Because climate change isn't a 'yes' or 'no' outcome. The more you pollute, the worse it will get. How bad will it get if we stopped polluting and let the rest of the world keep going? Bad. How bad will it get if we keep polluting as well? Even worse.

This also ignores two other major aspects of this issue. The first is that the rest of the world, although sluggish, is trying to cut emissions. India and China are trying. If reports are to be believed, China has actually made good progress in a relative sense. Many European countries have made progress.

The second is that the perennial excuse for inaction is that the U.S. is doing nothing. If we (as second place in raw emissions and first place in per capita emissions) do nothing, then why should smaller countries do anything? It's as if, faced with this issue, we love to forget the fact that the U.S. is a global leader and has actual clout. So un-American.

How about peer reviewed evidence that proved human activity is responsible for climate change and it's not natural. I mean yea, they can probably prove the climate is changing but to jump to the conclusion that "it must be CO2" seems dishonest.

If we were having this debate in real life, it would probably play like a scene straight out of the Dover v. Kitzmiller trial. Where Behe claimed that there was no evidence for the eye evolving, at which point his opponents responded by dumping a mountain of books on that very subject in front of him.

Point is, the evidence is there. The evidence is vast. Thousands, tens of thousands of papers spanning over a century of work. Even the TL;DR version which is the IPCC report is a giant tome. That you even have to demand this stuff really just proves that you've never tried searching for it yourself, and that you're basically just using 'where's the evidence' as a debate device.

[Kujako]

1. Put on a cape (this is important for step 5)
2. Seal two fishtanks with thermometers inside.
3. Add CO2 to one of the two tanks.
4. Note the change in temperature.
5. Shout "FOR SCINCE!".

[Garnier Fructis]

Time will prove who is right in this case. Not saying all the coal miners are going to get their jobs back, but several will. And I do think it will lead to cheaper energy costs for the consumers. But once again, time proves all things.

'Time proves all things' is pretty much just a lame ass excuse for ignoring the writing on the wall. And, in this case, a dangerous excuse: we're going to ignore economic analyses to pursue a losing course of action because 'time will tell.'

[Ghostpanther]

'Time proves all things' is pretty much just a lame ass excuse for ignoring the writing on the wall. And, in this case, a dangerous excuse: we're going to ignore economic analyses to pursue a losing course of action because 'time will tell.'

But is true. Some will think it is a lame excuse, but does not change the fact time does prove all things. Just as your stance bringing back coal will endanger the clean air we have. Time will prove if it is true. And actually I think it will have some impact, but I also feel all those off road 4 wheelers and lawn mowers have some negative impact. As well as the millions of cars and trucks on the roads. :P