Time for German leadership?

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Oh if the americans just didnt vote Trump into office.

Then we wont have to find the next leader of the west.

[Slant]

I could get behind a huge ass German military.

Now convince the German people of that. Because we sure as fuck don't see the point in a "huge ass" military. A more specialised, more effective military would go miles further than just boosting numbers.

[Argarock]

I know it's in poor taste, but the weather outside is lovely and this thread made me think of...

I have never seen this, Oh my god Im dying!

I don't get why people keep claiming that countries like Germany (and previously the UK) is restrained by the EU

Germany, The UK and France are all Huge economies, and the 3 main players within the EU, they kinda make the rules themselves..

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Oh if the americans just didnt vote Trump into office.

Then we wont have to find the next leader of the west.

us presidents are not "leaders of the west" even if they like to brag about it

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us presidents are not "leaders of the west" even if they like to brag about it

Well, the last presidents were keeping the values like democracy and liberty. So yes, they defended the values of the west.

Trump is the first who isnt.

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Well, the last presidents were keeping the values like democracy and liberty. So yes, they defended the values of the west.

Trump is the first who isnt.

yes they said the word liberty and democracy a lot

that is all they usually do

[JohnBrown1917]

Well, the last presidents were keeping the values like democracy and liberty. So yes, they defended the values of the west.

Trump is the first who isnt.

They really loved to do that in South America.

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yes they said the word liberty and democracy a lot

that is all they usually do

I'm sure Trump can also learn to say those words.

[Damajin]

The Netherlands and Germany are merging their armies already. I'm fine with Germany becomming the leader of the free world, since a free world can't be led by a untrustworthy / lying / Russian "sleeper"/ right-wing lunatic.

Right, as though Merkel isn't any of those things. Well she isn't right wing, but the rest of what you said including lunatic fits her.

[ShimmerSwirl]

Here's the key fact that video left out, and why Germany cannot resist Russia: they are dependent on Russian oil. Germany is not going to upset the arrangement they have, which is essentially a defacto alliance.

[JohnBrown1917]

Right, as though Merkel isn't any of those things. Well she isn't right wing, but the rest of what you said including lunatic fits her.

Merkel? Not right wing?


Is this what the believe in the far right part of the US these days?

[Stormspark]

The Netherlands and Germany are merging their armies already. I'm fine with Germany becomming the leader of the free world, since a free world can't be led by a untrustworthy / lying / Russian "sleeper"/ right-wing lunatic.

Agreed...but I don't think Trump is a sleeper. Sleeper implies at least SOME competence at remaining undercover and hiding connections.

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Merkel? Not right wing?


Is this what the believe in the far right part of the US these days?

Well that's why they only have right wing vs liberal wing. In all other countries these two directions joined forces long ago to actually fight the moderate and left wing...

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yes they said the word liberty and democracy a lot

that is all they usually do

Did any of the last presidents turn america into a dictatorship?

No?

So they kept their promise.

What is trump up to? Can anyone say yet?

[JohnBrown1917]

Did any of the last presidents turn america into a dictatorship?

No, just did it to other countries.

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No, just did it to other countries.

For example?

West-Germany wasnt turned into a dictatorship after second world war. Infact they helped us to become democratic after hitler was defeated. So they did with countries as like israel, italy and the east european countries after the end of the warsaw pact.

America was a backbone of democracy for many countries. It could become a real problem if a new autocratic president tries to ignore the western values america created.

[Slant]

For example?

West-Germany wasnt turned into a dictatorship after second world war. Infact they helped us to become democratic after hitler was defeated. So they did with countries as like israel, italy and the east european countries after the end of the warsaw pact.

America was a backbone of democracy for many countries. It could become a real problem if a new autocratic president tries to ignore the western values america created.

Well, first of all, just because the US was the first to codify those values doesn't mean they created them. Europe created them. And Immigrants carried them to the US. Second, when Gilrak speaks about dictatorships, he speaks about all the failed attempts to repeat the democracy grand slam in Europe. IS is a direct result of American intervention in the middle east. So... no, America has lost its way a good while ago. Only now do they have a President that is blatant about not giving a fuck about western values. But it really just reflects the indifference of the American population that this is made possible. So this isn't even his fault.

[JohnBrown1917]

For example?

Chile with Pinochet is a great example, south America in general is.

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Well, first of all, just because the US was the first to codify those values doesn't mean they created them. Europe created them. And Immigrants carried them to the US. Second, when Gilrak speaks about dictatorships, he speaks about all the failed attempts to repeat the democracy grand slam in Europe. IS is a direct result of American intervention in the middle east. So... no, America has lost its way a good while ago. Only now do they have a President that is blatant about not giving a fuck about western values. But it really just reflects the indifference of the American population that this is made possible. So this isn't even his fault.

Never had it, I would argue.
Its good to note that most countries don't things simply out of the good of their hearts(including ours, obviously).
During the cold war, the US only liked democratic countries that followed a form of capitalism.

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Well, first of all, just because the US was the first to codify those values doesn't mean they created them. Europe created them.

America created the modern west. You probably talk about democracy itself, and the magna carta. So yes, the core values were created in Europe.

Second, when Gilrak speaks about dictatorships, he speaks about all the failed attempts to repeat the democracy grand slam in Europe.

Which of the european countries isnt a democracy currently? Even hungary still is democratic. Its just that Fidesz has no competition.

Take a look onto africa. Probably you find better examples there.

IS is a direct result of American intervention in the middle east.

But only because of americas warfare, which is based on american imperialism. Imperialism has nothing to do with a doubt for the core values of american politics.

So... no, America has lost its way a good while ago. Only now do they have a President that is blatant about not giving a fuck about western values. But it really just reflects the indifference of the American population that this is made possible. So this isn't even his fault.

They had their values up to President Obama. Trump is the first president who openly did not align himself to democracy. He is a fascist, creating a corporate government.

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Chile with Pinochet is a great example, south America in general is.

Once again. Its about americas imperlalism here. And their goal wasnt a dictactorship, but to prevent a socialist as new chilean president.

[JohnBrown1917]

America created the modern west.

That is giving them waay to much credit. All of our values are way older than when we started getting American influence here(jeans, fast good chains).

Which of the european countries isnt a democracy currently? Even hungary still is democratic. Its just that Fidesz has no competition.

Beluras.

They had their values up to President Obama. Trump is the first president who openly did not align himself to democracy. He is a fascist, creating a corporate government.

US presidents only preach democracy for popularity points, a country that claims to love democracy does not use its secret services to overthrow other democratic governments.

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Once again. Its about americas imperlalism here. And their goal wasnt a dictactorship, but to prevent a socialist as new chilean president.

One that would kill his political opponents.
What is democratic about that? How does it relate to liberty? They completely ignored what the country itself wanted.

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Beluras.

And you pretend Belarus was created by american influence?