Grandfather: "AR15 is unfair" during home invasion.

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Pretty dangerous gun to use for home defence

Thats the point.

[Slant]

1. Disguise yourself as a nun
2. Walk past the property a few times to see if anyone is there
3. Do not break in

I was going for the elaborate lamp disguise, holding very still and not even breathing. But I concede yours may work as well.

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0-100 real quick there bud

See, and since the US hands people like him guns, we're saying gun control is not good enough in the US. :P

Have this conversation irl with the dude and give him a gun before hand, now we're talking escalation...

[Kalis]

I was going for the elaborate lamp disguise, holding very still and not even breathing. But I concede yours may work as well.

Dressing as a lamp does not give you an excuse to use the word 'wimple'.

QED nun > lamp.

[Maconi]

IMO home defense is best left to handguns and pistol grip/tactical shotguns. AR15 is overkill (too much penetration). You should always shoot what you're best with though I suppose.

On-topic, the old man shouldn't expect a fair life or death fight .

[Slant]

Dressing as a lamp does not give you an excuse to use the word 'wimple'.

QED nun > lamp.

Pure genius. Foolproof!

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IMO home defense is best left to handguns and pistol grip/tactical shotguns. AR15 is overkill (too much penetration). You should always shoot what you're best with though I suppose.

On-topic, the old man shouldn't expect a fair life or death fight .

For some reason, I suspect the grandfather is a creationist and doesn't believe in evolution when the evidence stares him right in the face.

[Peebuddy]

We're thinking about opening a colosseum here where I live and I'd love to know what a fair fight would be against 3 attackers with melee weapons to put my money on.

[Silver Forte]

I felt like you took that out of context. I generally agree with what the Grandfather said, you don't need to kill an intruder. Whether it was deemed necessary by the home owner's son I can't know so it could have been justified.

That's stupid. If someone breaks into my house I'm not going to go easy on them... Once you break into someone's home, you lose your right to mercy.

[bladeXcrasher]

Well yes some guns are less dangerous than others believe it or not

So then all guns are dangerous...why qualify an answer any other way? Guns, by design, are meant to kill...I don't know that a lethality scale is at all relevant.

[Dug]

So then all guns are dangerous...why qualify an answer any other way? Guns, by design, are meant to kill...I don't know that a lethality scale is at all relevant.

It's not about the lethality it's about penetrating power and the chance of collateral damage (which is a rather low chance but still)

[melodramocracy]

You always strive to be respectable when someone has lost someone, but in some cases you just want to call them a moron.

This about sums up my feelings:



You know who says things are "unfair" in fights out of sanctioned sports rings? Beat up and dead people's relatives thats who.

brass knuckles and knives are unfair against an unarmed robbery victim as well.

Sorry your offspring was a complete fuckup. Darwin asks you to try again.

[Kujako]

So then all guns are dangerous...why qualify an answer any other way? Guns, by design, are meant to kill...I don't know that a lethality scale is at all relevant.

Because there are differences? For example, a .22LR has an effective range of 140m. An AR15 is between 400 and 1500 depending on model and ammo. So the odds of an AR15 round continuing past your target, off your property and into someone else's house is far higher.

[ItachiZaku]

The AR might've been the closest to him when he heard the whole group of armed people entering his house illegally and in disguise.

[zenkai]

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You always strive to be respectable when someone has lost someone, but in some cases you just want to call them a moron.

This about sums up my feelings:



You know who says things are "unfair" in fights out of sanctioned sports rings? Beat up and dead people's relatives thats who.

Don't bring brass knuckles to a gun fight.

[Fugus]

Understand the man feels he has to stand up for his grandkid and feel for him, but his grandson and his friends earned their fate, you break into anothers home and you put your life at risk every time as you are risking the lives and safety of those inside or at the very least giving them that impression when in groups or armed and they were both.

Feel bad for the family for their loss, but the kids earned their fate and I feel no mercy for them in that and do not hold the homeowner responsible at all.

About the only time I ever feel like the homeowner overstepped is if he already has them subdued and harmless or they are caught like that one guy who was in the shower or they are already passed out somewhere and of no threat to anyone.

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As opposed to a not dangerous gun?

im Swed so i dont know much about guns but i think he means that it fires bulets at high speed which penetrates walls and could hurt neighbors or ppl walking outside his house or other ppl in house.

[bladeXcrasher]

Because there are differences? For example, a .22LR has an effective range of 140m. An AR15 is between 400 and 1500 depending on model and ammo. So the odds of an AR15 round continuing past your target, off your property and into someone else's house is far higher.

So anything from a .22 up can miss or pass and kill someone 50 yards away easily...a reasonable distance most residences are apart where something like your argument would matter. Back on subject, guy could have been an avid target shooter and grabbed a weapon of opportunity, I don't think he was being mindful of downrange ballistics at the time.

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So anything from a .22 up can miss or pass and kill someone 50 yards away easily...a reasonable distance most residences are apart where something like your argument would matter. Back on subject, guy could have been an avid target shooter and grabbed a weapon of opportunity, I don't think he was being mindful of downrange ballistics at the time.

dont think a gun like that would go true walls tho

[Saucexorzski]

I think folks who break into homes in the US are just asking to be shot. Its a pretty stupid idea all around. Pity this grandpa didnt teach his decedent some simple ideas like stealing is wrong.

[Orange Joe]

I feel sorry for the family of the ones that died, but no, there is no fair fight when it comes to protecting yourself/home.

[TwoNineMarine]

I feel for the old man but it seems like you should have explained the possible consequences of entering a strangers house, without permission, whilst carrying weapons.

It generally doesn't end well for you.