New York Passes Free College Tuition Bill

[GennGreymane]

Please go and report your fight against the dirty capitalists, brother.
Don't give him any money!

I might need some liquor though, want anything?

[Deleted]

I might need some liquor though, want anything?

Only if it costs nothing. Can we like.. smash that store?

[GennGreymane]

Only if it costs nothing. Can we like.. smash that store?

Nah, does not seem right.... then again, hes super loaded since he started a business....

[Deleted]

Nah, does not seem right.... then again, hes super loaded since he started a business....

That's my point! He must be a billionaire, and after all, he's a dirty capitalist. Free booze surely won't do any harm.

[GennGreymane]

That's my point! He must be a billionaire, and after all, he's a dirty capitalist. Free booze surely won't do any harm.

Lets fucking go!

[Exedore]

Ya, have fun with that. It's a massive handout to universities by robbing taxpayers. It won't help students in the least, and may actually hurt their job prospects.

Tuition increases in recent years happened largely because the federal government handed out loans like candy. Universities caught on and found that raising tuition and admitting more students meant more money. If the students can't pay after they graduate, it doesn't matter; the universities still get the money. What NY is doing further encourages that behavior. The universities will simply churn out underwater basketweaving majors who got 2.0 GPA's and end up working at McDonald's and Starbucks.

A lot of is from the false mantra that by simply having a college degree, you will be successful. In the past, this was true because people who attended universities tended to already have a mindset for success and viewed college as an investment. If you knew you didn't have what it took to do well in college, you didn't go because you'd have a ton of debt. Now, there are lots of people being spit out by 4-year colleges who can't find jobs because they simply can't perform in their field.

[Louisa Bannon]

All education should be free, merit based, and without any other strings attached. Make the grade or get out. No exceptions.

The rest you cover with social programs and occupational training programs.

Why is this hard?

[Pengekaer]

Every one having liberal education, (ALL COLLEGES are liberal bastion) only increases societal ineffeciences and incompetence.

Yes, that is your main problem, it seems. The reason Bachelors end up at McDonalds is because they did not get a relevant degree, oftentimes art degrees or political science or low-tier MBA educations. That is the root cause of the problem, people chosing educations that are not relevant to societal economy. Government investment in education does little to increase or decrease this tendency. It's more of a cultural problem, really.

Also, the "uhh but the tax increases, the horrible tax-increases" relies on the premise that this investment only swallows cash, not providing anything in return in the form of a more productive work force. That remains to be seen. Whether government investment in this area is a failure or not depends more on planning and execution than it being "government investment" as if that was a Mark of Doom from the get-go.

The rest of your arguments like "is ALWAYS going to fail" and stuff are more like memes than actual arguments, leaving a poor guy like me with little incentive to answer to it.

I dare say this; you people are wrong. This isn't a welfare program, it's investment.
What sent Europe down the sinkhole wasn't educational investment, it was excessive welfare programs (that is, literal cash handouts with no real chance of investment-return) coupled with massive third world immigration.

[Docturphil]

So how is New York going to pay for all that tuition? Nothing is free.

I'm guessing that they're looking at this as an investment. More people go to college which leads to more people having higher paying jobs which leads to more taxable income for the state of NY.

It could work, but the problem is the lack of restrictions. There should be a requirement that you maintain a certain GPA and they should limit the majors you can go for down to the more practical ones.

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I would recommend raising taxes on the top 20% of earners in NY.

Those most able to pay should pay the most. F 'em.

You don't need to raise the tax percentage for the wealthy to pay the most. They already pay the most.

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Its not the poor working class that are creating the new jobs and taking the risk of being a entrepreneur

Compaq, Apple, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, all started by working class people. They weren't exactly poor, but they were definitely working class and had to take risks.

So yeah, the working class can create jobs and become entrepreneurs. Most people just aren't willing to take the risk. What you're saying is horse shit.

[Lokryn]

I just hope more students go into STEM degrees. We need more of these badly. Seriously, if you're about to start school or just started, go for a STEM degree. The demand for these types of workers is high.

[Sinyc]

So how is New York going to pay for all that tuition? Nothing is free.

Considering how overpriced and inflated tuition today is, it's not as expensive as these corporations... I mean Universities want you to believe it is.

I assume by having these same students stay in New York and pay taxes in the state instead of bolting they will make up for the tuition costs.

[Theinquisition]

Yeah, because traders and wall street create jobs, not middle class workers with a degree. lul

Why do you hate the American dream so much?

Who do you think provides the capital for them to get started.

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He's full blown brain-washed. Like liberals hate the military and soldiers brainwashed.

Well they do...generally speaking

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I just hope more students go into STEM degrees. We need more of these badly. Seriously, if you're about to start school or just started, go for a STEM degree. The demand for these types of workers is high.

I wouldn't mind more help for students pursuing stem degrees personally. I think helping SJWs with their gender studies degrees would be stupid

[cuafpr]

and college takes one more step towards glorified HS degree....

[Tack980]

Here's what's gonna happen: The people who are now being paid to go to college, would have for the most part gone anyway, while paying for it themselves. Not only will people work less to pay for college because the state's gonna pay the bill, the taxpayer will be asked to step up, resulting in less money in the private sector and more in the hands of a bloated, liberal government. And here's the kicker: The NY tax payer pays for it and then the people graduating leave New York to pursue a career in another state.

It's like they're trying to hurt the people of New York on purpose, in the name of possibly helping some lazy slobs who're gonna drop out anyway. Typical Democratic move.

Only applies if said person agrees to work in the state X amount of years with increased tax,has to do 30 + credits a year, and only for 4 years. Otherwise you have to pay the state directly if you violate the agreement.

[Theinquisition]

and college takes one more step towards glorified HS degree....

Now we will have even more art history majors whining about not being able to find a job.

[Tack980]

This is such an important point. They should evaluate every student after 1 semester or 1 year and decide whether they can stay in the program based on their GPA. Otherwise our tax dollars will be wasted. So glad I moved out of New York

Schools do this already. They expel students giving their institutions a bad name. Very quick. No need for the government to waste their time on that.

[Sky High]

Next should be a bill at the federal level. Might have to cut into those over bloated sports programs or taxes to do it but it's better then the situation we have now.

[GennGreymane]

Now we will have even more art history majors whining about not being able to find a job.

Could be worse

Could spend more by throwing a bunch of kids into another country to play hero

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Who do you think provides the capital for them to get started.

A bank? unless this is a personal loan.

[Vash The Stampede]

Ya, have fun with that. It's a massive handout to universities by robbing taxpayers. It won't help students in the least, and may actually hurt their job prospects.

It won't help because there's just not enough jobs for those with an education. This is why you see people with 4 year degrees working at a cash register.

Tuition increases in recent years happened largely because the federal government handed out loans like candy. Universities caught on and found that raising tuition and admitting more students meant more money. If the students can't pay after they graduate, it doesn't matter; the universities still get the money. What NY is doing further encourages that behavior. The universities will simply churn out underwater basketweaving majors who got 2.0 GPA's and end up working at McDonald's and Starbucks.

This is the result of the late 90's and early 2000's where the college craze started. People were told a better education meant better paying jobs, and so people went nuts for education. The result is that nearly everyone today has a college degree, and the work force can't supply enough jobs. But that doesn't stop college's from over charging for your education.

If you ever bought a text book from a college, you can see how this system works. Why are you paying hundreds for a book that you should get as a PDF online? It's even frowned to buy these books at other stores, like Amazon. Many people forget that's how Amazon got started, as a cheaper source of college books. It's a business, and like any other business they will charge what you're willing to pay. Turns out, it's a lot to secure your future.

A lot of is from the false mantra that by simply having a college degree, you will be successful. In the past, this was true because people who attended universities tended to already have a mindset for success and viewed college as an investment. If you knew you didn't have what it took to do well in college, you didn't go because you'd have a ton of debt. Now, there are lots of people being spit out by 4-year colleges who can't find jobs because they simply can't perform in their field.

It's called experience, and if you're hiring and everyone has a degree, you're going to find another method to separate the many choices you have to hire. So now people ask for years of experience for a job that pays damn near minimum wage. It's just human nature to always go for the better choice, even if it's small. Of course you need experience, and if you have none then getting it is damn near impossible.

I believe we're still in a recession in both America and Europe since 2008. Sure unemployment is low, but that's because people are taking any job they can get. Hence 4 year degrees working at cash registers. Both countries handle it a little differently. Americans work 40 hour weeks and try to share expenses with a room mate or lover. A lot of times they end up homeless, at least temporary. Europeans live with mom and dad, and have no plans to move out. This is why Trump won and why Brexit happened. People are sick of long hours with low pay. Even though Americans want longer hours just to get health care coverage, but we know longer hours causes people to be depressed.

We are on the edge of a financial collapse. People are doing anything they can get a better life. Yes better education isn't the holy grail, but nothing bad can come from it. Plus if the government has control, they can negotiate prices, or just open up community colleges. But mind my word, one wrong move and the world could be in a recession.

[Tack980]

If you ever bought a text book from a college, you can see how this system works. Why are you paying hundreds for a book that you should get as a PDF online? It's even frowned to buy these books at other stores, like Amazon. Many people forget that's how Amazon got started, as a cheaper source of college books. It's a business, and like any other business they will charge what you're willing to pay. Turns out, it's a lot to secure your future.

And they got around this s*it by making you buy a 200$ online pass to do an assignment now. Just a bunch of bs.