did ISIS thought they are going to win?

[Rudkobing]

Death is not the end.

/absorbed into the Light
/melds int the shadows

[HumbleDuck]

You don't kill an idea with just bombs and weapons, we've been bombing the middle east for decades and things have only gotten worse. As long as people think giant bombs are what is going to solve this things will never change.

It almost seems as if it's not about changing things but rather keeping them the way they are.

[Shalcker]

did ISIS thought they are going to win?
it wasn t hard to predict they would get bombed "the sh$%@t out of them" by the next us president regardless who won

Everyone (West included) thought that Assad would lose a lot faster, and then ISIS could carve their part in "failed state" (they did control, and possibly still do, lots of Syrian oil). That he would hang on for years up to the point when he might regain control was completely unexpected.

[Stormspark]

No, they don't think they can "win". They WANT us to attack them. They think if they suffer enough, then Allah will appear in person to smite all the infidels. That's actually what they believe. And everyone we kill becomes a martyr for that cause. In their mind, dying furthers their cause. Yes, it's ridiculous. But it also means they will not stop until every last one of them is dead, which is pretty much impossible to achieve. They are basically all this guy.

[ParanoiD84]

Of course they did just like they think they will reclaim spain and other lost territory, they are all brainwashed and delusional and never even stood a chance.

One of their biggest misstake was invading kurdish lands, kurds have been kicking isis ass ever since, killing US journalists didnt help either and they have been bombing them ever since.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Sadly enough, the fact that they got the shit bombed out of them but many Western Civilians are actually upset about it happening means they aren't really losing either.

It's a sad day when it's seen as politically incorrect to want to wipe out a disease.

ISIS isn't a disease. It's a symptom. Bombing at this point is like suggesting that the way to get rid of a temperature in a patient is to put him in a steam room.

Killing all the people currently in ISIS won't help if the means by which you achieve this results in 10 times as many people wanting to join ISIS (or other similar groups with different names).

[Slant]

did ISIS thought they are going to win?
it wasn t hard to predict they would get bombed "the sh$%@t out of them" by the next us president regardless who won

One's got to be all kinds of colourfully stupid to believe that a bomb, even if it's the mother of a bomb, is like "winning" over IS. Did they think they were going to win? With what exactly? They came pretty fucking close to winning, taking away HUGE ass chunks out of Iraq and Syria and implementing their own rule in that region without anyone even lifting a finger against them. Yes, they pretty much won right there. Had they not done the beheading shit and gone totally bonkers, you'd probably be looking at their actual caliphate now.

So, how about you respect your enemy, because your fucked up arrogance is really not warranted at all. IS is still committing terrorist acts in your ONLY allied region on this planet, Europe. They are still ahead, mate. Because with minimal effort, they put an entire continent at unease.

So, you can really take your moab and shove it where the sun doesn't shine, because whether or not IS thought they were going to win doesn't matter. What matters is that the US clearly hasn't won jack shit in the middle east since the gulf war in 1991.

- - - Updated - - -

While I agree that ISIS needs to be dealt with: It is even sadder that there are still people who realize that the families of todays isis, their children, especially, will form the next isis a couple of years from now. Last generation was Al Quaida. Bombing them is only a short term solution, and in the end, nobody wins.

Aaaaand this. Thank you for posting this piece of sanity.

[Fonduset]

ISIS will be gone soon, but they've done far more damage to the world than they could have ever dreamed of. The damage they've done in Syria and Iraq can be healed with time, but as a side effect they've managed to convert a significant proportion of Westerners into right wing lunatics, convinced that if we don't immediately strip all undesirables of all basic human rights, our societies will be overrun by a brown tide of terror, something which there is scant little evidence of despite the hysteria. The actual terrorists will be dealt with soon enough, but ridding our communities of this new poison will be difficult.

Bang on!!

The rise of the extreme right in Western nations as a result of ISIS et al, I believe will cause far more damage to it's communities than the terrorists ever could dream of.

[Phlegethon]

i don t know if you get bombed and die seams like losing and must suck to have no healthcare and live the way they do

Are you now talking about the us of murrica?
Or are we loving Obamacare?

[GreenJesus]

While I agree that ISIS needs to be dealt with: It is even sadder that there are still people who realize that the families of todays isis, their children, especially, will form the next isis a couple of years from now. Last generation was Al Quaida. Bombing them is only a short term solution, and in the end, nobody wins.

If every Nazi killed meant "just recruitment for more Nazi's" what do you think Europe would look like?

[Machismo]

Here's the thing, ISIS did not lose, and their ideology has spread like wildfire. Bombing them doesn't work, because we continue to kill innocent people, which only makes people hate us more. We have no solid means to fight a war based on zealotry.

[Ravenblade]

Bombing them is actually free recruitment for everyone not still convinced there. They like that. You can't kill ideologies, you can only kill people following ideologies. If you want them to stop following some ideology the worst idea is to follow them indirectly. These people believe that martyrdom is the highest goal to achieve and that all Muslims must be united in the cause for a final battle. They don't fear death and when infidels attack them they see it as Allah's work and through suffering and martyrdom they justify their jihadist ideas hence why they believe that everyone who suffers in some way from these infidels should join their cause or - if non-convertible - must be eliminated so that only sufferers remain. Which is a dangerous asymmetric ideology which has gained too many followers by now to just bomb them away. At this point the only thing that might be achieved is diminishing their influence but if done so by conventional means it just means it's becoming some kind of super-bug in the future (to stay within the disease metaphor).

[Orby]

Bombing them is all well and good but you create martyrs and inspire more to take up arms against the west. It's not even a short time resolution.

With the recent action from the US I expect a new terrorist attack to be immanent . And wouldn't be surprised if there will be another one coming up this year in retaliation. I think this action has only encouraged the heightening of more terrorism.

Whats Trump gonna do next nuke Afghanistan? I bet you think that'll be the solution too, just a shame people don't consider the repercussions of the actions they take. A bit of forward thinking might be missing here.

[Donald Hellscream]

This is not about winning it is about doing "gods" work, they believe killing infidels is the righteous thing to do and every time something bad like a big fucking bomb or a drone strike happens it is a sign to them from god that they've done goofed and then they work even harder to do the "right" thing. They're crazy so you really shouldn't look for any sort of logical conclusion.

[pkm]

It was never about winning to them. Just to stir as much shit as possible.

[namecraft]

bombing innocent people will create new terrorists

[Deleted]

If every Nazi killed meant "just recruitment for more Nazi's" what do you think Europe would look like?

Did you totaly miss that Nazi literally fight to the end the east but surrended in mass in the west.

[HolgerDK]

If every Nazi killed meant "just recruitment for more Nazi's" what do you think Europe would look like?

Nazigermany had a regular army, and a very well trained, one at the start of WW2, where ISIS is just religious fanatics with weapons with little or not military training. So your attempt at making an analogy between fighting Nazigermany and fighting Daesh(ISIS) fails because of the difference in how each organization fought their opponents.

[Draco-Onis]

As a "western civilian" I'm not upset. Anyone i've spoke to hasn't been upset about it. Now granted, that's not a large number of people, but the general concensus is that this shit has been going on for too long, time to stop playing and just finish them off.

There is no finishing them off they are an idea, we still have Nazis, KKK and other such groups around. These things don't die all you can do is marginalize them so that they become nearly worthless or a joke, the only way to do that is through long boring diplomacy.

[LaserChild9]

While I agree that ISIS needs to be dealt with: It is even sadder that there are still people who realize that the families of todays isis, their children, especially, will form the next isis a couple of years from now. Last generation was Al Quaida. Bombing them is only a short term solution, and in the end, nobody wins.

Love this logic... "It's ok to kill children guys, they might become terrorists one day..."