Ah yes... the rest of the world can also better afford those things because they have our country there to protect them if the shit hits the fan so they don't have to invest as much.
I do not like Trump, I think Trump is a fucking idiot, but he does bring up a great point where we have certain agreements concerning military spending and the other nations are doing fuck all.
We are number one, not because we pushed everyone down. We are number one because our culture has a great focus firstly on business and economy, which is why we became the wealthiest nation in the world. When you have a nation who has a culture of business... that tends to make you wealthy.
A few months ago, US tanks arrive in Germany to help Nato defences
The largest shipment of US brigades since the fall of the Soviet Union is arriving in northern Germany.
The first of the 87 tanks and 144 military vehicles were being unloaded in the port of Bremerhaven on Friday.
The equipment and 3,500 US troops are to be deployed along Nato's eastern frontier. The deployment aims to allay worries of potential Russian aggression in eastern Europe.
The arrival of the equipment and troops marks the start of a new phase of the US's Operation Atlantic Resolve, which foresees the continuous presence of an American armoured brigade combat team in Europe on a nine-month rotational basis.
Other Nato members are also increasing their presence in eastern Europe, with Britain sending fighter jets to the Black Sea area, while a battalion of troops, tanks and light armour will deploy to Estonia in the spring, backed by French and Danish troops. Germany also plans to send troops and tanks to Lithuania.
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A month after that, US Army Helicopters Arrive in Germany
Dozens of US Chinook, Apache, and Black Hawk helicopters have been unloaded in the German port city of Bremerhaven.
“Today, we are downloading a portion of the combat aviation brigade and it will be moved to Germany and Eastern Europe and will be scattered between Latvia and Romania, while a big chunk of it will be stationed in Germany,” Major General Duane Gamble, the Commander of the 21st Theater Sustainment Command, which is lead organization for the US Army Europe’s logistic support and other sustainment activities, told journalists.
The general added that the mission of the air grouping “is to train with our NATO allies… and to strengthen our alliance together.” He also said that “one of the key training objectives here is to continue to refine our agility in different [ways].”
“For 70 years, the US has been one of the cornerstones of NATO and there is no better way to train with our NATO partners than on the continent of Europe,” he stressed, adding that the US troops will be deployed to four NATO countries: Belgium, Germany, Latvia, and Romania.
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Interesting...
They cause trouble globally, but they do not cause trouble here. And for all the valid criticism that I brought into this thread, I will repeat once more, you do not toss out family even when it gets rough. Rather than throwing them out and abandoning them, we should try to make them understand why we're concerned, why they're causing troubles and what avoiding meddling everywhere would gain them.
I agree that we're a terrorist target because of the US (gee thanks btw), but it's not because we're servants. It's because, geographically, we're the more opportune targets. The US has tightened up security and Europe is still more relaxed. But for all the shit you can say about the US, implying that they intentionally "threw the hornets nest into Europe" is just a silly notion.
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Obviously the positions that Kangodo and Elba hold on the matter is mostly driven by a simmering hatred for the United States moreso than any reasoned approach to policy. Combine that with the standard radical egalitarian aversion to concentric loyalties and you get a ridiculous set of conclusions about how a nation should behave.
Be sure to pull that mirror a bit closer as you jerk off to your fantasy buddy.
Most (with some very nice and welcome exceptions) americans I've known have been self-conceited assholes. You seem to work very hard to add to that list.
Isn't there something called a "jesus complex" where you think you are the saviour? I mostly thought that applied to people and not nations...
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This is pretty obviously false. To the extent that the United States went from merely a power to the most important power since the British Empire as a result of other nations being destroyed or failing, it was those nations doing it to themselves. Woodrow Wilson didn't advocate for Europe to tear itself apart and break pretty much everything over the space of a couple decades - Europeans did that. The world power least responsible for the world wars was the United States.
This gets it wrong. The US has worked very hard to make sure many country's can basically do "fuck all". The more other country's can do, the more other country's can do without our ability to implicitly or explicitly veto it. The US want's a country like Germany to recapitalize its Army and have more than a few hundred tanks. What it absolutely DOESN'T want is for, say, Europe to drop the $25 billion a year we spend on nuclear weapons on it's own program. We're talking getting NATO back into more of a fighting shape. We're absolutely not talking anything close to being an equal. That wouldn't even be appropriate in Europe.
As I've said on litterally dozens of occasions by this point, the "2% of GDP" argument is the so dumb it's hard to find new ways of expressing how dumb.
Should be neither, but that'd mean letting go of its' Manifest Destiny urge, its' twin unsinkable aircraft carriers (Japan and England), and scrapping the entire NATO/CFR globalist schtick.
Going to be hard pressed for that, at least in the immediate future.
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The first time your block crumbled under the onslaught of a world super power, you and I both know who's help you would be calling for and welcome.
Our Constitution was written on the principles of human rights. It is what led us to free the slaves, give women the voting rights and created the Civil Rights law. But those rights are more than just skin deep. Of course the US had made mistakes. There are no perfect countries in the world. Even the Dutch were not perfect when they led the slave trade. :P
I suggest you differentiate a little there. Kangodo hasn't made the impression of hatred towards the US to me, yet. Criticism of US politics is absolutely warranted these days. I'm not even talking about Trump here, I'm talking everything post 9/11. Even Skroe's position of "the inevitable war between the US and China" is troubling, to be honest. I don't see that there needs to be such a war. Skroe needs to understand that China, unlike Russia, just wants to be left the fuck alone. Stay outside China's sphere of influence and they'll gladly ignore you politically and militarily. The US will have to give up Taiwan eventually, that would instantly solve all problems. As for Taiwan, they'll just need to wait until China reforms itself into the first democratic, liberal communist nation of the planet. But that takes time, as China is thinking in larger time scales than the US can possibly fathom. Europe considers the US a baby nation. China considers Europe a baby project and European culture lagging behind their 4000 years of being one nation. What do you think they consider the US and their meddling with Taiwan?
It's these cultural differences that Trump got educated about, by the way. There is no need for war, but we have to acknowledge that China has been around the block longer than anyone else.
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