Arcano odds from nethershards?

[Extremity]

I have only one legendary for tanking (and that's only because I got the shield neck as Havoc, which counts for both specs - technically I'm at 0 items dropped as tank spec) and four (again, including the neck) for Havoc. I don't really care about tanking legendaries, but I STILL do not have the Havoc belt and it just kills me.

As the belt is one of the few items that is on the loot table for both Havoc and Vengeance, and is the only potential legendary from a belt-slot token, I have been swapping to Vengeance loot spec before buying/using belt tokens.

My logic has been that with the per-spec bad luck protection that was implemented, I should have a better chance to get the belt as Vengeance, right? Both specs can get that belt, and it's the only belt-slot legendary available to either spec. If Havoc has 4 qualifying legendaries and Vengeance has 1, would it not be better to always go Vengeance before buying and using a belt token?

Here's where it gets a little tricky for me; I *very* rarely play Vengeance anymore, and haven't much at all since the addition of the spec-specific protection in 7.2. At most, I might tank a heroic or low m+ once a week for a quest. Since I play Havoc so much, at what point does my chance as Havoc surpass my chance as Vengeance, even though I have 4x the legendaries as Havoc? As far as I can tell, your bad luck protection only increases as you perform actions that can potentially award a legendary; every cache you open, every boss you kill, etc. If I'm doing nothing on my tank spec and everything on my Havoc spec, how long do you think until an active spec with 4 legendaries surpasses the legendary chance of a spec with only 1 legendary that isn't played often?

I really wish I had a reliably way to determine which is better. On one hand, Vengeance has no spec-specific legendaries, only one shared one. Havoc has four total; three spec-specific, one shared. At one point does the playtime on my Havoc spec contribute enough bad luck protection that it outweigh the flat-out lack of legendaries on my Vengeance spec?

Isn't the bad luck protection incredibly high until you get your first legendary, but STILL higher than normal until you get your second? Isn't the chance to get a second like double the chance of further legendaries after that one? I mean, at LEAST double? This is why I'm having a hard time deciding which spec would be better for a chance at the same item

[Lucetia]

My logic has been that with the per-spec bad luck protection that was implemented,

Not to sound stupid, but is this a thing? I got a few for my ret spec and wanted some for tanking, but took just as long if not longer to get one for that spec despite not having any. (Other three were ret only).

[Extremity]

Not to sound stupid, but is this a thing? I got a few for my ret spec and wanted some for tanking, but took just as long if not longer to get one for that spec despite not having any. (Other three were ret only).

Yep, for sure. The only thing that sucks it that it only started tracking since implementation; meaning if one of your specs is super far behind another, it did not start earning any of the new per-spec bad luck protection until the day the patch hit and it was implemented. So, unfortunately, none of our heavily-neglected specs got to start off with a bunch of bad luck protection waiting in the rafters.

Edit: I found some confirmation, just for you <3

https://clips.twitch.tv/PlacidReliab...nzeeSquadGoals

[Lucetia]

Yep, for sure. The only thing that sucks it that it only started tracking since implementation; meaning if one of your specs is super far behind another, it did not start earning any of the new per-spec bad luck protection until the day the patch hit and it was implemented. So, unfortunately, none of our heavily-neglected specs got to start off with a bunch of bad luck protection waiting in the rafters.

Edit: I found some confirmation, just for you <3

https://clips.twitch.tv/PlacidReliab...nzeeSquadGoals

Thanks for that! Would explain why it took a little bit longer than usual for my prot spec since I had it prior to 7.2. I'm assuming legendaries like Prydaz count for all specs?

[Shadowfury]

Got a pretty good arcano on my 3rd gamble, tho it was 880, it gave me a socket as well so yeah, still waiting to get Foci tho from both raid/shards.

[Extremity]

Thanks for that! Would explain why it took a little bit longer than usual for my prot spec since I had it prior to 7.2. I'm assuming legendaries like Prydaz count for all specs?

Yeah. It's based purely on whether or not the spec can equip the item; so for items that multiple specs can use (where the bonus functions), they count as "+1 legendary" for each one.

Edit: Clarification: I mean all specs that can utilize the bonus, and where the item shows up on the "loot" tab of the dungeon journal for both of them.

[Mrr]

[QUOTE=Hardpimping;45434647]I'm a bit surprised that so many people spend their effort on rolling a good arcanocrystal, when one can much better spend that time on rolling for kara chests and farming both Majordomo's dinner bell and Eye of Command. I accidentally rolled an 880 arcanocrystal with socket. With the socket filled, it still sims 30k dps lower than either of my other trinkets using this combo. This shows how incredibly powerful the combo is.

The combination of the Nightbane chest, empowering your two trinkets (Majordomo's Dinner Bell and Eye of Command) by 30% is stronger than anything I can find so far combined with an arcanocrystal and fills up 3 gear slots with pretty much BIS stuff, all without raiding. The Nightbane chest does not have to be higher than standard 870 to be better than a 905 tier chest. Furthermore, while farming the two trinkets there's a chance of a lot more good loot and relics. It seems a much more efficiënt way of getting better than Arcanocrystal trinkets while also upgrading the rest of your gear.

On top of this all, the Dinner Bell, being a tank trinket, gives you 350


I had an 875 kara chest and an eye of command, and it simmed lower than with my 890 tier chest.

Now that I have a 910 tier chest I don't think it's worth rolling a kara chest. Plus you have to micro manage the on use of the dinner bell.

[FelPlague]

from my 5th relinquished trinket token (im demo, so haste>int>crit>etc)

[ssviolett]

You know you can farm them in upper and lower Kara in M+ right?^^ It's easy to get and a very powerfull combo (Nightbane chest + EOC + Dinner bell were +50k dps for me).

Right, already doing so, but we are talking about Nethershards And still you need the chest.

[Darkeh]

Yeah. It's based purely on whether or not the spec can equip the item; so for items that multiple specs can use, they count as "+1 legendary" for each one.

Are you sure its based on whether the spec can "equip" it? or do you mean spec can benefit from the proc?

I have had two in one week, the tank DH ring, and the dps belt, the tank ring doesn't have a usable proc for dps, but the belt can be both. (and obvs theyre both equippable in both specs)

OT - used a few more relics/rings over the w/e nothing exciting!

[Extremity]

Are you sure its based on whether the spec can "equip" it? or do you mean spec can benefit from the proc?

I have had two in one week, the tank DH ring, and the dps belt, the tank ring doesn't have a usable proc for dps, but the belt can be both. (and obvs theyre both equippable in both specs)

OT - used a few more relics/rings over the w/e nothing exciting!

Yeah, I guess I misspoke; what I really meant is if it's on the loot table for a spec. I guess you're technically right, specs can equip legendaries like the rings that don't function for them.

If it drops for a spec or, just the same, the spec can utilize the bonus then it counts. The DPS belt, for instance, drops for both Vengeance and Havoc and they both gain the damage/leech on targets over 90% health. So just the same, the shield neck or the haste proc ring would count for all specs on a toon that receives it.

[Mrr]

So I bought approx 9 trinkets over the last 3 weeks and ended up getting 2 BiS, replacing some sick one's I already had. I gambled a 890 arcano, and a 905 agi / mastery ethereal urn. Replacing a 890 bti, and 890 agi/ mast socketed eye of guarm. It's insane, either I'm incredibly lucky, or this is an extremely efficient way to get better than mythic NH trinkets.

[Deleted]

>either I'm incredibly lucky, or this is an extremely efficient way to get better than mythic NH trinkets

Take a wild guess which one is it..

I've also tried to gamble to get an arcanocrystal. Best thing I've gotten is a 905 agi / crit stat stick which is actually quite decent in certain scenarios, everything else was complete garbage that I've disenchanted.

[Extremity]

I've been buying belts trying to get the legendary belt as I've NEVER been able to get it and it's a significant piece... but I'm running shoulders/ring right now with a two minute meta build. I suppose that while the belt would be awesome, it's not like I don't have two decent legendaries for now. I know when ToS hits Ill probably really need that belt again as the 2-minute meta build will most likely drop off, but for now Im probably stupid for going for the belt and not trinkets. With trinkets there are a bunch of potential good pieces. Buying belts, Im ONLY going for a legendary, the chances are even worse.

Now I feel really dumb and like those 4 tokens I bought were a total waste, sigh I don't know what I was thinking not going for trinkets! >.<

Edit: Then again, I'm running a 900 Angerboda and a 900 CoF, and I believe I still need the CoF to hit the 2 minute mark, so it's not as if I have *terrible* trinkets. Most people would consider a 900 Angerboda pretty damn lucky already. Even if I got a good trinket I'd be replacing CoF, which would mean I'd then have to start rolling on relics to try to get a high meta CD reduction one AND would have to get the meta reduction trait as my next four-pointer (which, otherwise, would probably be one of my last).

[Ruts]

42 ofcourse

[Ealyssa]

Hilariously enough, even at 860 it's like a 12,000 point upgrade over my 900 CoF and 900 Memento of Angerboda, according to Pawn and my latest stat weights.

pawn doesnt work for proc/on use trinkets... It only compare hard stats between trinkets. So obviously any stat sticks will be wrongfully ranked higher than stats buffs.

[Extremity]

pawn doesnt work for proc/on use trinkets... It only compare hard stats between trinkets. So obviously any stat sticks will be wrongfully ranked higher than stats buffs.

Oh I know, but the point is that it's still crazy how good of a trinket it is even at low item levels.

[Achie]

Rolled 10 so far
Gotten 8 stat sticks including pvp twice, 1 Horn of Valor 905 + socket (which actually sims way lower than my current setup of 885 BTI and 880 dinnerbell) and 1 Urn.
Only kept the HoV just in case, but incredibly disappointed with these results. Will keep trying since arcanocrystal sims higher

[Deleted]

6 buyed here....
3 stat stick
1 pvp (increase stat on hit)
1 toe knees...
and, after 2 days farming lower kara buyed one with vengeance spec and got a 880 Dinner bell, so lucky, god save the RNG!
All i get was 880.

[kingdancy34]

I got lucky, although no arcano, on my second relinquish token I got an 890 bloodthirsty. No socket but still. The next two-three I've rolled have been stay sticks. But I can't complain beings I had been running heroic and mythic with bonus rolls for the longest with no bloodthirsty.