The Trumpcare Zombie Rises From the Grave: Trump Desperate For A Win Before 100 Days!

[DocSavageFan]

Whats bad is that republicans throw all the very sick people into it then give only a token amount of subsidy to the pool (currently $2.5B per year is being proposed). That allows republicans to kill off those sick people via neglect and reroute subsidy monies to tax cuts to the 1% without losing too many votes. Whereas if those very sick people are in the general insurance pool, then defunding that for the 1%er tax cuts loses them a huge amount of votes.

Personally I think killing people so you can give tax cuts to the 1% is immoral and wrong. How about you?

How many people did Obama kill by using ACA high risk pools prior to ACA implementation in 2014? Did you consider that immoral and wrong then? Where was your outrage?

[Draco-Onis]

Shooting craps is a risky business. Why should responsible people have to shoulder all the cost for the irresponsible? Should not the irresponsible pay a reasonable penalty for their irresponsibility?

Because that's how insurance works? I don't think people get sick on purpose call it a wild speculation.

[ati87]

Shooting craps is a risky business. Why should responsible people have to shoulder all the cost for the irresponsible? Should not the irresponsible pay a reasonable penalty for their irresponsibility?

Since when is getting sick being irresponsible? I once got sick out of nowhere (freak sickness, one day fine and the next day I ended up with pneumonia withouth any warning) and my medical bills for that month was almost 20K plus (not counting the cost afterwards).

Or getting older? Since when is getting older being irresponsible?

And at some point everybody needs a doctor in his or her live, it would be irresponsible of people to never have insurance till they need it since then they aren't paying into the system.

[Glorious Leader]

Ahh right so you are for killing people to enable to give tax cuts to the 1%. I'm glad we've cleared that up.

Personal responbility is a code word for tax the rich marginally less. Always had been always will be. Republicans dont believe jt for a second. They will bail out and fund the donor clsss whenever they can. The fact is "personal responsibility" is all fucking well and good till you get sick and use emergency services. Nobody will fucking die for that stupid ideal and we wouldnt let them nor should we. The ron paul crowd of conservative idiots who think we should will be the first in fucking line to emergency services when they need it WITHOUT a policy.

- - - Updated - - -

How many people did Obama kill by using ACA high risk pools prior to ACA implementation in 2014? Did you consider that immoral and wrong then? Where was your outrage?

Obama wasnt tryig to give a tax cut at the expense of peoples healthcare. The aca may he flawed but its flaws can be traced to republican obstructionism.

[DocSavageFan]

Why is illness being tied to responsibility? I don't think someone wakes up one day and say to themselves 'Let's have a dose of cancer for the rest of my life'.

I never said that someone getting an illness is somehow tied to responsibility. Is that what you really think I said? Wow.

[Soeroah]

Dunno if you can call the 100 day mark "arbitrary" after Trump made a big deal about it during the campaign.

I believe he also said he had a "foolproof" plan to defeat ISIS in 30 days. I look forward to seeing which 30 days he was talking about.

[unfilteredJW]

Shooting craps is a risky business. Why should responsible people have to shoulder all the cost for the irresponsible? Should not the irresponsible pay a reasonable penalty for their irresponsibility?

A person's health being compared to playing craps.

Fucking maroon.

[ati87]

How many people did Obama kill by using ACA high risk pools prior to ACA implementation in 2014? Did you consider that immoral and wrong then? Where was your outrage?

Yea we are done, at this point you are just making shit up and trolling

The ACA had a transition period in regards to some laws so the markets and people could adjust but to turn that and say ''ACA allowed high-risk pools'' is just BS.

[DocSavageFan]

Obama wasnt tryig to give a tax cut at the expense of peoples healthcare. The aca may he flawed but its flaws can be traced to republican obstructionism.

False dichotomy and revisionist history. You seem to live in an alternate reality. How sad for you.

[Iamanerd]

Shooting craps is a risky business. Why should responsible people have to shoulder all the cost for the irresponsible? Should not the irresponsible pay a reasonable penalty for their irresponsibility?

Getting cancer is now being irresponsible? How fucking stupid are you? You do realize you live in a society that is supposed to work together, not a "everyone for themselves" world that you seem to think it is.

[wheresmywoft]

I never said that someone getting an illness is somehow tied to responsibility. Is that what you really think I said? Wow.

Your direct comparison was a situation where it was. Either you didn't understand what you were doing, or you're being purposefully dishonest in your comparison.

[Edge-]

Shooting craps is a risky business. Why should responsible people have to shoulder all the cost for the irresponsible? Should not the irresponsible pay a reasonable penalty for their irresponsibility?

This is insurance, not craps.

And that's literally how insurance works dude. Someone isn't irresponsible because they've led a healthy life but got diagnosed with lung cancer despite never having smoke a day in their life. Someone isn't irresponsible because someone hopped the median and hit them head on, causing major injuries requiring longterm hospitalization and rehabilitation. Someone isn't irresponsible because their child was born with an expensive, but treatable disease.

For being the party of "morality" and that supposedly "cares", Republicans/conservatives seem pretty happy to just let poor/sick people die rather than pay a bit more to make sure those people (as well as yourself, should you ever find yourself in that situation) get the treatment that they deserve.

[DocSavageFan]

Yea we are done, at this point you are just making shit up and trolling

The ACA had a transition period in regards to some laws so the markets and people could adjust but to turn that and say ''ACA allowed high-risk pools'' is just BS.

It's not making up shit or trolling, it's a fact....sorry this offends you so much.

- - - Updated - - -

This is insurance, not craps.

And that's literally how insurance works dude. Someone isn't irresponsible because they've led a healthy life but got diagnosed with lung cancer despite never having smoke a day in their life. Someone isn't irresponsible because someone hopped the median and hit them head on, causing major injuries requiring longterm hospitalization and rehabilitation. Someone isn't irresponsible because their child was born with an expensive, but treatable disease.

For being the party of "morality" and that supposedly "cares", Republicans/conservatives seem pretty happy to just let poor/sick people die rather than pay a bit more to make sure those people (as well as yourself, should you ever find yourself in that situation) get the treatment that they deserve.

Oh please. Given your response, you have no idea what I'm talking about and apparently want to simply frame this as just another evil Republican issue. There is no reasonable discussion possible with this kind of mentality.

[Manabomb]

I stopped reading at Source NYTIMES.

obamacare is failing and failing bad

It's only failing in Republican states that either didn't have state healthcare for their people before Obama care and didn't bother embracing it, or Republican states that didn't embrace expanded medicaid.

Their refusal to get on board is exactly why it's failing -in their states-, along with all the problems shoe horned into it during it's legislation that STILL ended up with Republicans shutting down the government for no real reason other than "nyah."

Go to -any- democrat state with actual state healthcare (oregon, washington, california, see where I'm going with this) and you won't find these problems. Next.

[DocSavageFan]

Your direct comparison was a situation where it was. Either you didn't understand what you were doing, or you're being purposefully dishonest in your comparison.

I was saying the irresponsibility was in the choice not to purchase insurance...NOT that they were irresponsible by getting ill. Why is this so hard to understand?

[Manabomb]

It's not making up shit or trolling, it's a fact....sorry this offends you so much.

- - - Updated - - -


Oh please. Given your response, you have no idea what I'm talking about and apparently want to simply frame this as just another evil Republican issue. There is no reasonable discussion possible with this kind of mentality.

Considering the fact they are pro-life, but anti-education, anti-healthcare and anti-religion (except for their own!), I consider most Republicans domestic terrorists until proven otherwise.

It's just an easier way to live assuming it and being right a vast majority of the time.

[wheresmywoft]

I was saying the irresponsibility was in the choice not to purchase insurance...NOT that they were irresponsible by getting ill. Why is this so hard to understand?

Your original comment.

Shooting craps is a risky business. Why should responsible people have to shoulder all the cost for the irresponsible? Should not the irresponsible pay a reasonable penalty for their irresponsibility?

When you're talking about people shouldering the burden. That assumes that the people who are already sick are already on insurance. Thus costs being spread.

Is THIS hard for you to understand?

[Silver Forte]

Haha, the only way to get the Freedom Caucus on board was to fuck people over some more.

Who the fick keeps electing these clowns?

People who don't fully understand what is going on with politics and are just voting based on ignorance spread on facebook. You know.... morons.

[cuafpr]

Without bashing or trying to be negative, how do you survive if you get cancer or any other "expensive" illness/sickness? I'm a student, I have a income of 1100 dollars/month while studying, what would I do if I got really sick? Do you take a loan? Or if i fall and hit my head and can't pay the medical bill, what happens then? (I'm unconscious when they take me to the hospital so I can't tell them that I can't afford it.)

you would have student insurance to help, if for some reason you don't have that or catastrophic insurance (that was cheap pre-ACA) that would take care of the most exterme cases.. if you had nothing you negotiate a payment plan with the hospital or via loan.

[alexw]

How many people did Obama kill by using ACA high risk pools prior to ACA implementation in 2014? Did you consider that immoral and wrong then? Where was your outrage?

Yes it was immoral yes it was wrong, but I'm not going to be outraged at the person who changed this. That makes no sense.

But you did not answer my question. Do you think it's OK to put in high risk pools to be able to give tax cuts to the 1% while killing people in the process?