If Le Pen Wins

[Nerovar]

Oh, I'm just enjoying the hypocrisy of a nationalistic immigrant who whines about immigrants.

This is comedy gold.

[Aggrophobic]

Nah, but grats on being shortsighted.

Please, do explain.

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I don't have a problem with the economic aspect of the EU. I have a problem with its ever-increasing power and its attempt to federalise, which is not what EU was supposed to be about initially.

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We will be and it will affect my country. I also live in a EU state already so I do care on that level as well.

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This is exactly why people want the project to die. Thank you!

Neither I nor many other Europeans want to share much with non-Europeans.

We non-Europeans living in european countries are that scary to you?

[JohnBrown1917]

That would indeed be great. But even having the next Venezuela on the Swiss and German border would teach your ilk nothing...

The propaganda you guys eat up.

[Deleted]

It is IMO a good question of Frexit really would be a win for Putin. I don't see how, really. People also said Donald Trump was Putin's little plaything, but look where that went.
This whole argument "if the EU falls apart, Putin wins" doesn't bite with me for the simple reason that EU is not what is keeping Putin in check, NATO is.

There is a lot that Russia can do that NATO can't act on. There is more to this world than just conquest and wars, there is economic and political things that Russia can't do towards the current EU nations, without a consequences. However a bunch of European nations without any ties together, can easily be meddled with, without them wanting to help each other simply because it would cost them and that is the scary picture of a torn up EU.

[Kallisto]

I just lol'ed at OP. I am from Bosnia myself and honestly, without the EU we'd be literally FUCKED. Also his stance on immigration... again: millions of Bosnians live abroad (The Bosnian War has actually caused a BIGGER refugee crisis in Europe, than the Syrian War has). Without some country's immigration policies, we'd be again: FUCKED.

Reading some of OP's previous posts, I am questioning though if he's even a bosnian to begin with

Wouldn't be surprised if his parents left the Republic Serbia (Or whatever they call the Serbian area of Bosnia) and brought him up with grand stories of Yugoslavia under Slobo.

[Malacrass]

The EU won't be finished in the sense of collapsing completely, but Le Pen will break one, if not both if it's legs. Imagine Victor Orban, just with actual influence.

[zealo]

It would be good for France and for Europe. We don't need the modernised version of the European Union. It is an evil institution that needs to go away - soon.

The EU has problems and needs reforms, but globalism is coming, like it or not. Europe has the resources and population to remain relevant, but never if our idea of going into the later half of 21th century is as a few dozen minor nation states with no union rather than one united economy, especially not with where both China and India is headed in that regard.

[satimy]

Le pen is Frances last chance

[Manabomb]

If Trump and Brexit should teach France one thing, is that both movements are lazy politics. Nothing is going to get done, because nothing was actually wrong in the first place, no matter how hard they wave their arms and try to make it look that way.

Le Pen is no different.

[JohnBrown1917]

Le pen is Frances last chance

This is what the far right actually believes.

[Deleted]

Le pen is Frances last chance

I'm intrigued, what is this last chance consequences? Is France going to collapse into ruin or something?

[Pengekaer]

This is what the far right actually believes.

Le Pen is right about a few things though. Softcore-socialist policies with massive handouts to people who do not like France just won't do for much longer. The debt-levels alone would prohibit that policy from continuing. One doesn't have to be a Victor Orbanist to see this.

[Manabomb]

Le Pen is right about a few things though. Softcore-socialist policies with massive handouts to people who do not like France just won't do for much longer. The debt-levels alone would prohibit that policy from continuing. One doesn't have to be a Victor Orbanist to see this.

You know, I've always worried about people that think debt is anything more than a human construct.

[Thage]

Why should I? I was brought here and got used to it. I'm sensitive to environments and would take time getting used to new places.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Or does it only count if they're just a few shades too brown for your comfort?

[Felya]

The title of the thread should have been:

if... LE PEN WINS!!!

You are missing out on freaking out a few people.

[JohnBrown1917]

Le Pen is right about a few things though. Softcore-socialist policies with massive handouts to people who do not like France just won't do for much longer. The debt-levels alone would prohibit that policy from continuing. One doesn't have to be a Victor Orbanist to see this.

3 of the 4 highest polling candidates are rigth-wing(economics), why pick out Le Pen?

[Felya]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Or does it only count if they're just a few shades too brown for your comfort?

Don't jump on race just yet. It could be the good ol' lacking self awareness. I think the anonymity of the internet doesn't just mask who you are to your audience, it ends up having a similar effect on self. People are not as self aware as it used to be, because the internet has conditioned people that any conflict in self, is avoided by becoming someone else.

[Pengekaer]

You know, I've always worried about people that think debt is anything more than a human construct.

Debt is a human construct, but it's nevertheless central to the way our economies - any economy above caveman-level, works. Economics is a thing politicians have to account for. One cannot just say "I don't acknowledge economics, it's just numbers on paper or an abstract idea". The administration of Venezuela tried this with limited success.

See, debt is a real thing in as much as when party A lends goods and services from Party B, Party B expects returns with interests. France has the problem that it can either burrow funds to keep the welfare state running (and through this, keeping private consumption and the wheels of society turning). But it has the cost that the parties from which the French government burrows demands returns with interests.
France could also say no, we will not burrow from others, and watch that standard of living drop.
I agree, perhaps, that debt is just a theoretical concept, but one we've evolved over thousands of years to accept and embrace.
The high (and fast increasing) debt of France is but a series of calculations, it's true, but what it actually means, when translated to real-world terms, is that France has a very high number of both native French and especially immigrants, who either can't or won't be productive members of society, thus not contributing. To keep the wheels of society turning and preventing these people from starving or freezing to death (and perhaps to keep some of them from forming gangs or even hordes), France burrows. And burrows. ( I am not saying these people should freeze, just that status quo isn't sustainable).
The debt is just a number yes, but it means France burrows productivity from its neighbours and probably China.

[omeomorfismo]

lol, an immigrant slav against immigration that use nazi argument of eugentic for slav suprematism

this is social satire, cant be serious xD