1st turn french election

[Macaquerie]

In the context of french politics he is an outsider.

Everyone is an outsider by some metric. Clinton could be considered an outsider just by virtue of being a woman.

[NED funded]

Everyone is an outsider by some metric. Clinton could be considered an outsider just by virtue of being a woman.

France has been dominated by the socialists and conservatives. Macron being a sort of Clinton 2.0, but with less shady connections is something new in France. He also ROFL stomped socialists and conservatives.

[Macaquerie]

France has been dominated by the socialists and conservatives. Macron being a sort of Clinton 2.0, but with less shady connections is something new in France. He also ROFL stomped socialists and conservatives.

There's nothing revolutionary about being a centrist nothingburger, the only surprising thing is that someone like that could actually keep the public's attention long enough to win an election. Assuming he even does win, which is far from guaranteed.

[Deleted]

It's the same everywhere in Europe. Except for France, where president has actual power. In other countries the government, and prime minister as its head, has the power.

But the election system for a president is the same for all countries in Europe that have a president. Denmark is a monarchy.

We are a constitutional monarchy. not the same as a monarchy

[Baine]

Nationalism has nothing to do with left-right politics.

Nationalism is neither leftist or rightist per se. But it is tied with a social project that can be leftist or rightist.

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We are a constitutional monarchy. not the same as a monarchy

Still, a monarchy. You don't elect your head of State.

[Muzjhath]

Still, a monarchy. You don't elect your head of State.

Well, in Sweden we indirectly elect both or 2nd and 3rd of "position in state".
Second in hierarchy being the chairman of parliament, third being our prime minister. (As the legislative is more powerful than the executive).

[Deleted]

Interesting that a guy with a background in finance could possibly become president of a socialist country like France.

He even announced plans to cut large numbers of civil servants, which seems very un-French (is that a word?)

[Danner]

I mean in denmark we have a prime minister. But that is pretty much a president by another game. and we dont do it like that.
We cast our votes to our 9-13 parties, and then, They get a % of mandates according to the % of votes they get, and then, They have to to "parti up" to reach above 50% of the votes, which then elects the prime minister, which then hands out other minister positions..

I quit like this system, it means our rulling goverment is quit dynamic, the more Votes you got, the more power you have, or well the more you have say, if often the more "left" of our right, side have often partied up with the left side on certain votes when it come to health care, but then still very right when it comes to anti immgration

Same here in Norway. As it is in most of Europe. You are describing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propor...representation .

And I agree it is a well-functioning system. It avoids the issues with the two-party system that both the US and (to a lesser degree) France suffer from. Since a government requires a 50% majority from a subset of the parties to rule, no individual party gets full unchecked powers, and everyone has to give and take a bit. Which usually makes for a far better end result. I think the only european country actively struggling with this system is Belgium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E...ment_formation), but I am not sure if those struggles have been resolved of late?

In Norway, we also allow one or more parties to form a government even without not holding 50% of the votes in case no block can muster the 50% majority. Effectively this means the biggest party get to try, unless they for some reason don't want to (which is weird, but has happened), where the second biggest gets to try. A minority government is rather handcuffed, as everything they propose must pass a majority vote in the national assembly. Also, a minority government are easily replaced when the national assembly decides that someone else should form government. Either way it doesn't trigger a re-election.

[telygroar]

People are growing more socialist-libertarian in the West.

Cutting down on wasteful government spending is a very popular selling point.

more like the other one were trying to be so different from the rest and came with some "awesomely new" strange propositions.

[JohnBrown1917]

People are growing more socialist-libertarian in the West.

Cutting down on wasteful government spending is a very popular selling point.

Macron is a liberal, not a socalist tho.

[Noradin]

It's the same everywhere in Europe. Except for France, where president has actual power. In other countries the government, and prime minister as its head, has the power.

But the election system for a president is the same for all countries in Europe that have a president. Denmark is a monarchy.

Uh... no?
Why would you even begin to think something like that?

[Deleted]

France has been dominated by the socialists and conservatives. Macron being a sort of Clinton 2.0, but with less shady connections is something new in France. He also ROFL stomped socialists and conservatives.

Disagree with the second half of that assessment. Socialists 'rofl stomped' themselves with the most unpopular president in two generations and conservatives - instead of accepting the presidency which was ready to be handed to them on a platter - went with a candidate that had nepotism written all over him.

Macron so far was just at the right place at the right time. He might very well the right guy as well, but so far I'm not sold.

[minteK917]

Macron so far was just at the right place at the right time. He might very well the right guy as well, but so far I'm not sold.

To be honest out of all the people, hes the right guy simply by being under 40. Boomers simply need to be put out of leading position already and its better we replace them with youth that arent extremist of any kind. Fresh perspective without the idiocy.

[Frontenac]

To be honest out of all the people, hes the right guy simply by being under 40. Boomers simply need to be put out of leading position already and its better we replace them with youth that arent extremist of any kind. Fresh perspective without the idiocy.

The guy said that there was no French culture. That's already enough idiocy to go with his not-so-fresh perspective. It will be same old-same-old wrapped in new paper and ribbons...

[Deleted]

>Be Macron

>Come out from nowhere

>French people haven't heard a word about me before the campaign, unlike Le Pen whom everyone knows about

>get elected to the finals


Yeah, not fishy and possibly sponsored by Soros at all...

[Trollhammer]

Le Pen won't win because of misogyny

[Dug]

No matter who wins we all know who really controls France.

Kind of out of the loop here. Can you give me a quick run down?

[Tomyris]

>Be Macron

>Come out from nowhere

>French people haven't heard a word about me before the campaign, unlike Le Pen whom everyone knows about

>get elected to the finals


Yeah, not fishy and possibly sponsored by Soros at all...

How did you not hear about him before? Fishy. Or, you are not French.

[Kiri]

>Be Macron

>Come out from nowhere

>French people haven't heard a word about me before the campaign, unlike Le Pen whom everyone knows about

>get elected to the finals


Yeah, not fishy and possibly sponsored by Soros at all...

Yes, the french have never heard about any of the members in their president's cabinet. Those are usually anonymous, you know?

[NED funded]

>Be Macron

>Come out from nowhere

>French people haven't heard a word about me before the campaign, unlike Le Pen whom everyone knows about

>get elected to the finals


Yeah, not fishy and possibly sponsored by Soros at all...

Good, France needs more outsiders. The establishment has been a disaster for France.