Should working class and poor children be given better opportunities?

[zezel81]

Did Zenkai just have his Craig T. Nelson moment?

Well same for me. I was poor as a kid and pushed myself. Ppl want hand outs all the time,go work for it. Do I believe in public assistance yes what we have now nothing more or less.

[Halicia]

i agree, but why through tax? Not private donation? If you genuinely want something to occupy them and give them better mental health, volunteering is a start, also old equipment from sports organization can work. Why should they have new equipment, coach, fancy field if it just to enjoy their time?

You can't volunteer when you're working 80/hours a week. That's my governor's expectation of the working class.

Those that have the time and money, only donate to get around taxes and avoid open revolt.

Class mobility is going to decay even faster with the swift decline of potential jobs, so you should be fighting for general human rights now while you still have some say.

[Ivanstone]

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European countries you have free healthcare, school, and a well publicade system. Con no one truly works example it could take a month to turn on your internet, takes a month for trash pick up, takes a year to read your meter on your utilities(they estimate or guess your monthly bill), and stores have random hours. Ppl do not go to college in general, they go to tech schools and most don't finish high school.
Reason for example if I make say 150k as a doctor I would be taxed to only make 50k and if I do nothing I get 50k. Hmmm

If no one works how does Europe pay for its free healthcare, schools and welfare system?

Or are you just pulling numbers out of your ass to make some artificial point?

[Somewhatconcerned]

Just give them bigger bootstraps to pull themselves up with.

[Garnier Fructis]

No, don't give people anything. Let them work towards it and earn it, otherwise it's only going to be temporary anyway, since the right attitude is missing.

Only provide the basics humans need. Everything else you have to work for yourself.

We're talking about opportunities. People don't work hard and move on if they have no opportunities.

I also dispute the idea that they won't have the right attitude. I didn't squander any of the opportunities I was given. I took them and worked my fucking ass off to get where I am now.

[xenogear3]

I don't care if I am called a commie. I think working class and poor children be given free organized sports, music programs, and museum visits. Blue collar employers should give their workers time to drive their children to soccer practice!

Museum is free at least once a month.
Sometimes, even zoo is free.

However, you only go there once.
It is really nothing in it.

[judgementofantonidas]

I have no agenda to push and I don't want to interfere int the life of any family. I don't know you personally but from what I can see (judging from your posts), you care about your children and your family in general. Not all kids get that, though. I am just saying that there need to be more subsidies for after-school activities such as school bands or school sports teams to keep the kids off the streets. Whether you enroll your kids there is up to you and them.

I spent this afternoon taking an old foot locker and some plywood and making a space shuttle for my 4 year old because he saw it on pocoyo.

[Bonkbonk100]

Of course not

[Triks]

I spent this afternoon taking an old foot locker and some plywood and making a space shuttle for my 4 year old because he saw it on pocoyo.

That's what I am saying - you sound like a legitimately good dad and person overall.

[Deleted]

Of course they should be, we do that in Winland, unlike in America, where the poor can't even afford healthcare in CURRENT YEAR.

[Logwyn]

Below middle, above poor.

Which is what? 30k a year is what? 100k a year is what?

[kamuimac]

Which is what? 30k a year is what? 100k a year is what?

its relative as always - for some people 30k a year is decent for some 100k a year is a shit salary - depends on work you do.

[Dezerte]

You do know blue collar ppl are the middle class?
For you to praise your Europe have you lived there? South Korea more capitalist and Europe is more socialism. Both have great things and both I would not U.S. What it is today.
South Korean are generally well educated with everything above, they pay for it themselves. Very hard working ppl. Con is if you have a 4yr degree welcome to McDonalds and your education is based off your school not what you know. If you are poor you are poor meaning you have nothing and most pl are debt. The reason they always have someone to replace you in an hour.

European countries you have free healthcare, school, and a well publicade system. Con no one truly works example it could take a month to turn on your internet, takes a month for trash pick up, takes a year to read your meter on your utilities(they estimate or guess your monthly bill), and stores have random hours. Ppl do not go to college in general, they go to tech schools and most don't finish high school.
Reason for example if I make say 150k as a doctor I would be taxed to only make 50k and if I do nothing I get 50k. Hmmm

Korean it would take 3 generations of very smart ppl to become rich.
In Europe lotto or nothing.

This doesn't seem to match reality at all.

[kamuimac]

European countries you have free healthcare, school, and a well publicade system. Con no one truly works example it could take a month to turn on your internet, takes a month for trash pick up, takes a year to read your meter on your utilities(they estimate or guess your monthly bill), and stores have random hours. Ppl do not go to college in general, they go to tech schools and most don't finish high school.
Reason for example if I make say 150k as a doctor I would be taxed to only make 50k and if I do nothing I get 50k. Hmmm

Korean it would take 3 generations of very smart ppl to become rich.
In Europe lotto or nothing.

there is nothing free in this world - this system function because in most european countries 50-60% of our salaries goes into taxes.

there is no such thing like free dinners. or free eduation.

[Macaquerie]

Which is what? 30k a year is what? 100k a year is what?

Class isn't really defined by income levels. Some blue collar jobs can actually pay decently well, but there is a pretty hard ceiling that limits how high the uneducated average Joe can climb, and they are always very vulnerable to economic shocks and shifts that are totally outside their control. By contrast, your average office drone might not make much to begin with but usually has some avenue to move up the ladder, and has a more transferable skill set meaning that if his company shuts down he can always find another job relatively easily. By contrast, the truly "poor" underclass consists of people that can only find work intermittently, if at all, and mostly depend on various handouts to survive, whereas the "rich" are those who earn enough from investments to never need to actually work.

[Spectral]

Biggest nonsense i seen in ages you think inner city schools have the same new computers as teh rich burbs has? really you think that ?

What do you think the reason is that "inner city" schools lack sufficiently new computers?

Looking around at how things have shaken out, it looks like LA Unified (which is what it sounds like) spent well over a billion dollars buying iPads. It didn't go super well. This may serve as an object lesson in why throwing money at problems doesn't work that well most of the time.

[Deleted]

What do you think the reason is that "inner city" schools lack sufficiently new computers?

Looking around at how things have shaken out, it looks like LA Unified (which is what it sounds like) spent well over a billion dollars buying iPads. It didn't go super well. This may serve as an object lesson in why throwing money at problems doesn't work that well most of the time.

Funny how "throwing money" is never an issue when it comes to fighting endless wars or bailing out bankers.

[Spectral]

Funny how "throwing money" is never an issue when it comes to fighting endless wars or bailing out bankers.

I don't think you'll find a lot of my posts that advocate wars or bailouts.

This response is a pretty obvious "look over there!" distraction from the topic.

[warvings]

I don't care if I am called a commie. I think working class and poor children be given free organized sports, music programs, and museum visits. Blue collar employers should give their workers time to drive their children to soccer practice!

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Not better opportunities but equal opportunity.
It is not equivalent to say that parents with money can afford best education with all the perks like nutrition, after class ... and then claim that for working class it is better opportunity to provide the same. It just means that working class children just receive sub-standard education.
The requirements for education standard should be set the same based on whatever info available taking the lowest of the outside factors in consideration.
So this would mean that in public schools the education, nutrition, discipline, sports music .. all are provided. This can only be possible by hiring more teachers per student, adding teachers in specialized fields, counseling and nurturing students on societal values , individual strengths, goals etc.
Current trend is to blame parents for not having time for their children when they are working long hours and multiple jobs to meet other needs.
Also companies that they work for has to has to give time off for parents/children.
Sounds ideal but I would start of with just hiring more teachers and updating the education standard and school facilities instead of cutting at the first sight of budget downfall.

[Krawu]

There should be a basic public cultural and education program in place that will afford everyone equal opportunity to succeed in life. Those who can afford it may still send their kids to private universities or charter schools, but the goal to aim for is that they won't even want to.