11 states most likely to be affected by pre-existing conditions all voted for Trump

[GennGreymane]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politi...ons/index.html

(CNN)Later today, House Republicans will try to pass a health care bill that voids the federal mandate requiring insurance companies to cover patients with pre-existing conditions.

They insist that by creating high risk pools in states -- and using several billion dollars allocated to them to defray costs for patients -- they can ensure that no one with a pre-existing condition is left without coverage.

But subsidized high risk pools are not the same thing as a mandate banning discrimination against those with pre-existing conditions. It's just not.
And, looking at the states with the largest percentages of people under age 65 with pre-existing conditions, if the GOP's high risk pool plan goes south it runs the risk of more adversely affecting those in states that voted for President Donald Trump.

Of the 11 states in which 30% or more of the under-65 population has some sort of pre-existing condition, all 11 were won by Trump in 2016. Here's the full list (% of under 65 population with pre-existing conditions):



These numbers come from a 2016 study by the non-partisan Kaiser Family Foundation. (If you're wondering: The national average of people under 65 with pre-existing conditions not covered by pre-Obamcare health care is 27%.)

What those numbers mean is that many of the people most in favor of repealing and replacing Obamacare are also the people most likely to be directly affected -- and not in a good way -- if the new GOP bill becomes law.

It's not immediately clear what the political ramifications of that reality would be.

On one hand, Republicans have a cushion in most of these states, politically speaking, and so may be able to withstand some degree of fallout even if the GOP plan doesn't work out as planned.

On the other, people tend to pay more attention -- and be more unhappy -- when a change made by Congress directly impacts something they have relied on. And, if the House GOP's change on pre-existing conditions means that people in the 11 states above can't get any sort of coverage, there could be a political price to pay.

[jdbond592]

Sounds wonderful. Too many people live in America.

MAGA!

[Mormolyce]

Ladies and gentlemen, natural selection.

[PosPosPos]

Well, maybe they just hate their insurance. They now have the freedom to choose not to be insured for life-threatening illnesses.

[Shadowferal]

Well, maybe the Trump zealots want to show him that they're willing to die for him.

[Felya]

When supporting adequate healthcare, almost celebrating that anyone is going to be harmed... even if they voted against what you believe is good for them... makes the whole point seem like not about healthcare, but political points.

Yes, they will be the ones harmed the most, but they will blame the political opposition to the harm. Why? Because by making this political, the issue of healthcare becomes defined on party lines, not quality of care. It doesn't mater if Trumpcare makes it worse, if you mock them for it, the natural reaction is to blame you or the ideology you display.

Yes, feelings > reality... if you know that, ones reply should match this expectation. That's why I recommend using Americans, instead of just specific groups. Americans will be harmed by this, not just Trump supporters.

[Lenonis]

Conservative voters casting votes against their economic self-interest is absolutely nothing new. This is what happens when you stir up the inner hatred of a segment of the population by using wedge social issues (which you'll do nothing about) to get them to support an economic agenda that will ravage them. The only thing more tragic than how transparent it is is how well it is working.

[Felya]

Same people who consistently vote for people who work against their interests in Congress. How is any of this surprising that the poorly educated and easily swayed believe the BS the GoP feeds them? All the GoP has to do is play on their voters' fears of violent immigrants taking their jobs and they win.

Yes, but that's not that big of an obstacle to overcome. If you actually listen to what they are saying, without trying to see the worst in it, there is a simple way to approach it. The reason the rhetoric of immigration, black lives mater, LBGT rights, PC culture and similar, have a counter of men's rights, alt-right, nationalism and the like... is because they want to belong in the first group. This is no different than someone getting attention and you getting pissed over it.

There is a simple solution that completely removes that division, while being 100% true. We are all Americans, LGBT rights, is rights of Americans. Black lives mater, is lives of Americans that mater. PC culture isn't to avoid pissing off them, but Americans. That's the key to this problem...

The mentality you need to break, is one you might have faced as a kid, if you had a sibling. When your sibling got hurt, they got a lot more attention than you did. It made you act out and demand attention. The fact that this was your brother or sister was irrelevant, as was them getting hurt. You had your problems and wanted that attention. Since we are not children with government not our parent, the way to break it is to just be inclusive. Add American to it, because that changes the paradigm from them to us. It's not just your sibling being harmed, it is you... because you are an American, just like them...

[alexw]

Conservative voters casting votes against their economic self-interest is absolutely nothing new. This is what happens when you stir up the inner hatred of a segment of the population by using wedge social issues (which you'll do nothing about) to get them to support an economic agenda that will ravage them. The only thing more tragic than how transparent it is is how well it is working.

They've been doing it for decades. But I must admit I have to admire how boldly and obviously they have played it this time around. Normally its dog-whistles and small slices around the economic edges, but this time its foghorns and an economic chainsaw.

[Cthulhu 2020]

The Darwin Awards are going to be busy this year, let me tell ya.

http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/

Or someone could just submit #TrumpVoters and be done with it.

[Deleted]

Don't worry if you give your money to the preacher, jesus will cure you.

[Saucexorzski]

Somehow i doubt you all really care for the welling being of folks you call racists either way. But hey this is great material to mock them right?

[Geardagas]

CNN is, as always, lying. Stop trying to get information from the 24-hour anti-trump channel,.

The pre-existing condition facet of obamacare is upheld in the AHCA. They aren't going anywhere. The only difference is that states can now investigate those pre-existing conditions on a case-by-case basis to prevent the rampant fraudulent activity that obamacare allowed.

Stop allowing your hatred to guide reality.

then again, a poster above me actually said that feelings > reality, so i guess that's that. Keep believe lies and spreading those lies if it helps fuel your hatred, I guess.

[Aggrophobic]

Ladies and gentlemen, natural selection.

This is pretty spot on, yes.

[Felya]

They've been doing it for decades. But I must admit I have to admire how boldly and obviously they have played it this time around. Normally its dog-whistles and small slices around the economic edges, but this time its foghorns and an economic chainsaw.

Think about the whole concept of feelings over reality that's leading it. We have an ideological side that both complains about the PC culture of feelings being too emphasized, while at the same time argue that reality shown in statistics and actual results, is wrong because it doesn't feel right. People cannot handle the dichotomy of instant gratification that our technology quickly afforded us, with the reality that they simply cannot switch forum to have people agree that their perception is the only truth, in the real world. There is no safe space to make Obama a Muslim dictator bent on taking over the world in reality, but I can point you to a forum where you will be flamed for being a moron if you say Obama isn't a Muslim dictator bent on taking over the world.

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Somehow i doubt you all really care for the welling being of folks you call racists either way. But hey this is great material to mock them right?

Who are you calling racist exactly?

Edit: this is exactly what I mean. Cannot deal with reality, to bring up race. It's no longer about Americans being harmed, but you being racist if you are. This is the crazy time we live in...

Edit 2: within the first 4 replies to the thread, was me specifically opposing the point you made. At 25% of the replies, at the time, contradicting your post... you still made it... and brought up race... WTF is that about?

[belfpala]

CNN is, as always, lying. Stop trying to get information from the 24-hour anti-trump channel,.

The pre-existing condition facet of obamacare is upheld in the AHCA. They aren't going anywhere. The only difference is that states can now investigate those pre-existing conditions on a case-by-case basis to prevent the rampant fraudulent activity that obamacare allowed.

Stop allowing your hatred to guide reality.

then again, a poster above me actually said that feelings > reality, so i guess that's that. Keep believe lies and spreading those lies if it helps fuel your hatred, I guess.

Please elaborate.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Somehow i doubt you all really care for the welling being of folks you call racists either way. But hey this is great material to mock them right?

It must be a strange concept for you to visualize, that someone may care about the well being of society as a whole, realizing that a healthy nation is important to being a strong and thriving nation, while at the same time disliking certain aspects of behavior.

What I find strange is how much conservatives actually believe liberals are faking it when they show real concern for other people. I realize most of them lack basic human empathy (and then pretend to have it themselves when it comes election time, kekt) but it is strange that they truly believe it does not exist in others.

[Logwyn]

Ladies and gentlemen, natural selection.

I bet if they allowed true natural selection to take hold you'd sing another tune.

[Saucexorzski]

Who are you calling racist exactly?

Edit: this is exactly what I mean. Cannot deal with reality, to bring up race. It's no longer about Americans being harmed, but you being racist if you are. This is the crazy time we live in...

Me every human who every lived. I think its completely impossible to live on this planet and not feel, think, or act in some fashion that could be perceived as racist, to me its part of what makes us human. But folks on these boards, well they tend to limit it in the US to Southern right wing aligned folks. But please do tell me how you have a bleeding heart for you fellow country men in the south im willing to listen.

[GennGreymane]

Please elaborate.

2 post count so its hard to trust. Especially with how much of an issue this forum has had.