Trump Freezes Funding to Groups Fighting Against White Supremacism

[Freighter]

They had opposition politicians locked up without a trial for 20+ years so... I know Singapore is often held up as a shining example on how dictatorships aren't always bad but that is easy to say if you do not get too bogged down by unpleasant details like that.

...and as long as you are not that guy in jail.

You mean the hardcore communists? Yeah, let's not get too bogged down by such unpleasant details such as pointing out why.

[Freighter]

Well, according to Freighter, Singapore (their country) preemptively responds to radicalization. Of course, I don't know how a country responds to radicals before they've become radicals via top-down government agencies; but it probably explains why Singapore ranks so low in human rights rankings.

I didn't say that we act before they become radicals. I said we act preemptively compared to other countries, such as australia where they'll only intervene when they're about to commit a crime. Here we will intervene long before that.

[Sunseeker]

Your statement is in itself an extremist belief. In a democratic, centrist world we do not keep people locked up for what they believe, only for what they do.

It's also contradictory, yay!

They had opposition politicians locked up without a trial for 20+ years so... I know Singapore is often held up as a shining example on how dictatorships aren't always bad but that is easy to say if you do not get too bogged down by unpleasant details like that.

...and as long as you are not that guy in jail.

It's funny when people think the State is on their side...until they disagree with the State...and suddenly they realize they were on the State's side.

[Allybeboba]

Perhaps if he would do a single thing that might help this country we could post about that. Or should we just ignore all of the terrible choices he makes?

Most of the threads are createded by people not living in the US. They do it just to sew discontent. Sadly, people fall for it each and every day.

[PACOX]

Yes, groups that promotes talk and openess. Not though control against a specific extremism.

The article mentions Life After Hate, a group that specializes in reaching out for white supremacist and people who life paths found themselves affiliated with supremacists gangs. The reason why it works is because its ran by people who used to be WS groups who whats its like to be in such groups, know why someone would fall into such groups, and the struggle of breaking free of the groups/the mindset of being in said groups.

Is it better for some generic group to fill the role of Life After Hate, probably staffed with people who only street life through a textbook, or those who can personally identify with those they are trying to turn away from whatever?

Is like saying the Overwatch Mods should replace the League of Legends Mods even though both sub-forums deal with very different games.

[Sunseeker]

I didn't say that we act before they become radicals. I said we act preemptively compared to other countries, such as australia where they'll only intervene when they're about to commit a crime. Here we will intervene long before that.

This word, I do not think it means what you think it means. You apparently "intervene" at some point "long before" they're even thinking about committing a crime, so either you have magic extremist detectors, or you just have a fascist state and you happen to agree with the leadership. Woe unto you when you disagree with them on something.

[Freighter]

Your statement is in itself an extremist belief. In a democratic, centrist world we do not keep people locked up for what they believe, only for what they do.

There is nothing extremist about it. USA and some other countries are an exception to the rule rather than being the norm when it comes to tolerance of free speech or what you can be involved in before the law enforcement intervenes.

[Deleted]

so how effective are these groups? if its proven that they are effective in fighting against extremism, then i'd be all for funding them, but if they have proven to not be all that useful then go ahead and cut their funding.

[alexw]

The negative Trump thread of the day I presume.

Actually no, its a Neo-Nazi boasting about how he is winning via Trump. Of course just about everyone else that has posted in the thread see's what Trump has done here negatively.

[Freighter]

This word, I do not think it means what you think it means. You apparently "intervene" at some point "long before" they're even thinking about committing a crime, so either you have magic extremist detectors, or you just have a fascist state and you happen to agree with the leadership. Woe unto you when you disagree with them on something.

We intervene when we find out they harbor extremist beliefs or preach extremist beliefs. Other countries treat this as freedom of speech as long as they're not about to do violence, which is bad.

[Sunseeker]

There is nothing extremist about it. USA and some other countries are an exception to the rule rather than being the norm when it comes to tolerance of free speech or what you can be involved in before the law enforcement intervenes.

Being the exception doesn't legitimize the norm.

People are dumb, stupid and cruel by nature. Just because it's normal for humans to behave this way, does that make it okay?

[Freighter]

Being the exception doesn't legitimize the norm.

People are dumb, stupid and cruel by nature. Just because it's normal for humans to behave this way, does that make it okay?

You can't call the norm an extremist belief, you are the extreme outlier in tolerance of it.

[alexw]

Most of the threads are createded by people not living in the US. They do it just to sew discontent. Sadly, people fall for it each and every day.

Err lol this thread is made by a real life Neo Nazi as a way to brag. Hell, his avatar image is of someone wearing an SS deaths head uniform, the guys in charge of the Nazi death camps.

[Sunseeker]

We intervene when we find out they harbor extremist beliefs or preach extremist beliefs. Other countries treat this as freedom of speech as long as they're not about to do violence, which is bad.

Which would be how exactly? I mean I see you obviously enjoy your thought police, but thought police never lead to a positive outcome for long...unless I guess you think "1984" by George Orwell is a positive outcome.

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You can't call the norm an extremist belief, you are the extreme outlier in tolerance of it.

lol, u a funny man, calling tolerance extremism and hate, bigotry, cruelty and oppression acceptable.

[Freighter]

lol, u a funny man, calling tolerance extremism and hate, bigotry, cruelty and oppression normal.

I didn't call tolerance extremism. We were talking about free speech and what kind of activities you can be involved in before the law enforcement intervenes. I said you are on the extreme end towards tolerance there while most of the world are not so tolerant of it. Being on the extreme end does not mean extremists in tolerance. It means you tolerate far more than the rest of the world.

In USA you're free to speak in a derogatory manner about religion or race, not so here. I think our way is better because we don't allow people to sow division like you do.

[oxymoronic]

That's because "white people" aren't a tight-knit group with close social, cultural and religious ties to a shared history and nation like filipino's are.

true, they have evolved. and they about to evolve themselves right out of existence. which is fine, i think humans were meant to blend together all races in the end and whites have definitely stepped up to be 1st to go even though they have enjoyed being the #1 race/color for a while (up for debate how long) in terms of establishing a safe prosperous world. they dont need hitler leadership, they need picard type leadership.

[Sunseeker]

I didn't call tolerance extremism. We were talking about free speech and what kind of activities you can be involved in before the law enforcement intervenes. I said you are on the extreme end towards tolerance there while most of the world are not so tolerant of it. Being on the extreme end does not mean extremist. It means you tolerate far more than the rest of the world.

In USA you're free to speak in a derogatory manner about religion or race, not so here. I think our way is better because we don't allow people to sow division like you do.

We also allow people the freedom to think what they want instead of what the State tells them to think.

I wouldn't encourage you to try it though. (i'm totally serious) Because you'd probably find out why we're so terrified of your style of government coming here.

[oxymoronic]

I didn't call tolerance extremism. We were talking about free speech and what kind of activities you can be involved in before the law enforcement intervenes. I said you are on the extreme end towards tolerance there while most of the world are not so tolerant of it. Being on the extreme end does not mean extremist. It means you tolerate far more than the rest of the world.

In USA you're free to speak in a derogatory manner about religion or race, not so here. I think our way is better because we don't allow people to sow division like you do.

if somebody disagrees with you and that sows division then what happens when best friends finally find something that disagree on? you have to get over shit to move on. and dont tell me it dont come out, i know you people drink lol.

[Allybeboba]

Actually no, its a Neo-Nazi boasting about how he is winning via Trump. Of course just about everyone else that has posted in the thread see's what Trump has done here negatively.

Meaning that this thread is a just another lightning rod for negative American rhetoric which is tolerated more and more on this forum.

[Freighter]

We also allow people the freedom to think what they want instead of what the State tells them to think.

I wouldn't encourage you to try it though. (i'm totally serious) Because you'd probably find out why we're so terrified of your style of government coming here.

I know what other countries are like. The state isn't telling me what to think, I don't know why you have that impression, my thoughts are my own.