Italian forces ignored a sinking ship. Leaked audio: we are dying, please.

[tikcol]

Only if you're short-sighted enough to not realize setting a precedent is a thing. :^) Letting the brown tide drown tells the rest we're not picking up your shit any more. Then again, what would I expect from a provocateur? Stop trying to offensively assume things about me.

Once again, why would our society be any better if we would let people drown simply to set a precedent ? And who are you to shame on them for cutting people's limbs off if you're ok with the former.

You're not being honest. Maybe you're unable to be honest. That's another matter

[Deleted]

Okay, my thoughts on this:

1. The captain of the Italian ship did nothing wrong as he took his ship to render assistance as soon as he was made aware of the incident.
2. The Maltese authorities did nothing wrong as they attended as they should but they were simply too far away to get there.
3. The Italian authorities did nothing technically wrong (though morally is questionable) as they informed the caller he needed to contact the maltese authorities.

IMO (and I'm sorry if this triggers some people) the fault lies with the captain of the refugee ship who set to sail with no radio and thus no way to contact other ships for assistance.

This is a case where some people followed the rules and that lead to disaster, however had it not been for the actions of the person not following the rules the disaster would have been averted.

We did not read the same article. Apparently Italian authorities refused to act when they had to and delayed as much as possible.
Maritime law is a thing and should not be debated when they are life in the line.

[Deleted]

Do you really think that sinking boats would keep people from coming? Some are desperate enough to do anything, and most of them probably are blatantly lied about the whole risk. The traffickers get their money before the passage, the don't lose much.

What makes you think they're too stupid to use modern comms tech to get the news back to their home countries?

[Deleted]

Some of the comments on this thread are why aliens won't talk to us.

Has nothing to do with them not existing then I guess?

[Deleted]

Once again, why would our society be any better if we would let people drown simply to set a precedent ? And who are you to shame on them for cutting people's limbs off if you're ok with the former.

You're not being honest. Maybe you're unable to be honest. That's another matter

Go project somewhere else.

[Shakadam]

You're implying that I think that other countries aren't equally bad or even worse. But if your little ad hominem and your flawed logic help you cope with your own immorality. Whatever floats your boat. I don't really care.

So, you want western civilization to fail even though to acknowledge that other countries are just as bad or worse? Why then would you want western civilization to fail? So everyone can be even more miserable?
Western civilization is the most progressive, prosperous and enlightened culture that humanity has ever managed to construct, so what exactly do your propose we replace it with that would be "better"?

[primalmatter]

I didn't pick up any radio communications of people in downtown Dallas needing emergency food to help prevent their imminent death this afternoon. Maybe I would if such a thing came to pass. I would like to think there are a lot of other people like me who would help so I wouldnt have to sell ALL of my spoils.

Wait so now you are not willing to help save human lives?

I thought you would do it if it was easy? Or is it just African child are not really humans?

Here is the thing... you are trying to moral grandstand to score points and I am turning you into a mockery for it. Live in the real world not your fantasy.

[Puupi]

No they're not. At least not in the eye of the law. And that's what this is about. Are they legal refugess? Or not - then they're immigrants. Of course you could argue that in a broader sense of the word. But why? I thought this was about their legal status?

No, this isn't about legality of their refugee status (whatever that even means), because technically they aren't refugees until they have been granted an asylum.

What this (aka what I have been arguing here) is about is whether they are fleeing a war zone or not.

[Deleted]

Maybe this will stem the tide of "refugees" crossing the Mediterranean on just about everything that'll float. God knows there are enough all over Europe already, and by the time they're actually identified, they're rarely from the actual war zones nor minors. And do you want to blame people for having a negative image of these migrants? Blame the people who come before them, who riot when they don't get things their way, refuse certain accommodation, demand special treatment, etc.

[lonely zergling]

And nothing of value was lost. They probably saved many peoples lives and many woman the fate of a future rape. +1 Italy!

(Infracted)

[Nerovar]

So, you want western civilization to fail even though to acknowledge that other countries are just as bad or worse? Why then would you want western civilization to fail? So everyone can be even more miserable?
Western civilization is the most progressive, prosperous and enlightened culture that humanity has ever managed to construct, so what exactly do your propose we replace it with that would be "better"?

I'm not here to discuss political theories with you. That's all I have to say.

[tikcol]

Go project somewhere else.

It was obvious from the beginning that you're not here to have a discussion of any kind.

[araine]

This post is full of shit no one here ever said.
Right wing racist, blue eyes blond hair. blablabla.

Sorry for bursting your bubble but this is exactly the under laying reason we see the resentment and approval of the actions taken by the italians.

And i just pointed out how shortsighted those racists actions really are since they themself would been labeled as not white enough just a few years ago.

And remember the objections in the USA had against Catholics If you want i can supply ample amount of evidence on how dangerous catholics would be for the USA it was frequently portrayed as something that would destroy USA

[Hugnomo]

Has nothing to do with them not existing then I guess?

Either you don't know popular memes or you don't have the capacity to interpret a joke. Or both.

[Freighter]

Fix the system, and I will gladly support any cause about rescuing illegal immigrants. For now, my primary corncern is not having these people around me, my family, friends, and all I hold dear. I do not really care how many of them die at sea. Unlike you, who probably live in an immigrant-free country or haven't see them directly, I don't want to play the "good guy" and then wake up a morning to the news of my wife or sister being raped or killed.

So vet them better, deport the criminals.

Just FYI, I do not live in a immigrant-free country. Singapore has plenty of people from around the world.

[Puupi]

We did not read the same article. Apparently Italian authorities refused to act when they had to and delayed as much as possible.
Maritime law is a thing and should not be debated when they are life in the line.

Did they do a correct mayday call to the correct channels, aka mayday call to all nearby ships?

I mean, if I'm on my boat at the Gulf of Finland and turns out my boat is leaking and I decide to call some agency in Germany for help - is it the Finnish navy's fault that they didn't save me?

[Astalnar]

except there were already a LOT of people dying in the sea, if those death didn't deter them why the new ones will ?

3760 immigrant died last year.
Not rescuing people will just cause more unecessary death.

Would you think of the children? :O
Well, they don't have to swim all the way to Europe to evade war. They could just go to Saudi Arabia. What? They cant? Why is that? Oh, right, cultural differences are too great, according to Saudis. Well, I guess they'll just have to drown since the mean Saudis don't want to take care of their muslim brethren. How very unmuslimlike of them.

not rescuing doesn't seem to deter them. The navy should have some regard for human life though and rescue people from drowning when they can, but there's no need for the navy to take these people to Italy, they should just be escorted back to Libyan water , or whatever country they set off from. give them a dinghy or something.

No, it shouldn't, and no, they can't according to the international treaties. So, the only solution left is for them to not have time to rescue them. If the "refugees" wanted to swim, they could for a swim. They wanted to evade war, there was 10 other countries closer to them on dry land, and they still chose a boat ride to smuggle their way to Europe. They're criminals, and thus they can drown. If you want, we can give them Darwin Award of the year, but not EU passport.

If enough of them drown, eventually the rest will learn that the path is closed. Why should we support their stupidity, and even encourage them in thier reckless, life-threatening, dangerous behaviour?

[araine]

And nothing of value was lost. They probably saved many peoples lives and many woman the fate of a future rape. +1 Italy!

[Infraction placeholder].

so you support criminal actions i see as long as the criminal is white and does the crime against folks you dont like?

"... the master of a ship at sea which is in a position to be able to provide assistance, on receiving a signal from any source that persons are in distress at sea, is bound to proceed with all speed to their assistance, if possible informing them or the search and rescue service that the ship is doing so."


you dont have the luxury to say no when it comes to maritime incidents you are by LAW required to provide assistance. so what part of breaking the law do you approve of and which laws should be allowed to be broken and which shouldnt really i would like to hear what laws it is ok to break according to you

[Deleted]

Sorry for bursting your bubble but this is exactly the under laying reason we see the resentment and approval of the actions taken by the italians.

And i just pointed out how shortsighted those racists actions really are since they themself would been labeled as not white enough just a few years ago.

And remember the objections in the USA had against Catholics If you want i can supply ample amount of evidence on how dangerous catholics would be for the USA it was frequently portrayed as something that would destroy USA

I remember why I had you on ignore, not sure how you escaped the list.
Back on there you go. Conspiracy theories aren't allowed here.

[lonely zergling]

so you support criminal actions i see as long as the criminal is white and does the crime against folks you dont like?

"... the master of a ship at sea which is in a position to be able to provide assistance, on receiving a signal from any source that persons are in distress at sea, is bound to proceed with all speed to their assistance, if possible informing them or the search and rescue service that the ship is doing so."


you dont have the luxury to say no when it comes to maritime incidents you are by LAW required to provide assistance. so what part of breaking the law do you approve of and which laws should be allowed to be broken and which shouldnt really i would like to hear what laws it is ok to break according to you

Blablabla. Why do you need to make this about race? Are you racist? Syrians have the same skin color as many Italians.

These drowned people are criminal themself btw.