Trump Signs EO to Look Into Voter Fraud and Suppression

[Dsc]

need an ID to exercise my constitutional right to buy a gun.
I have no problem with needing an ID to vote.
It should be national with a bio-metric ( thumbprint) too!

What is going on is protecting the integrity of the vote. Isn't that something we should all consider of paramount importance?

There are thousands of cases of proven ( yes with convictions too! cases of fraud)
The Leftist's heads are exploding because it's true.

I'll be helping by submitting my grandma's and great-grandma's death certificates for review.

For decades they would get their free breakfast at the church in Chicago, then get driven around to polling station(s).
They have been dead for 10-20 years. I guarantee their names will pop up as having voted. recently:P
What they are going to do, which is something the prior administration refused to do, is cross reference green card holders with the voter rolls. I'm sure there won't be "surprises"
Maybe require that to vote you go the same process as you would to purchase a firearm in the place of your residence?

Permit to buy a gun, permit to vote.
Waiting period to pick up your gun, waiting period to come back and vote.
Anything that would disqualify you to be able to own a firearm should also disqualify you for voting. Why do we tolerate restrictions on the right to arms that we won't tolerate on the privilege to vote?
https://www.youtube.com/v/Ees7HbPPAfU

You do know if there's fraud on one side, there's likely to be fraud on the other side in equal amounts, that's how it usually works.

Would be quite funny if the fraud ends up being on the republican side, as many Trump supporters on twitter were explaining how to get double votes going and what kind of hacks they could use to achieve it, whether or not it worked, who knows, but it would hilarious nonetheless.

We'll find out! If there is charge them with felony's too!

[Machismo]

I don't really see what I would be furious about... you are suggesting a person involvement in this that I honestly lack. What is the bigger issue to you. The fact voter fraud happened or the fact he exaggerated?

Voter fraud is not a big deal, which is the entire point. Trump and his administration continue to make claims, without backing them up. You must be so "tired" of it.

[Breccia]

He and is administration claimed 3-5 million illegal voters, has he backed up that claim?

PROMISE: Everyone will have insurance. More people will have better coverage for less money. Has a plan on his website.
ACTION: Asks someone to write the bill for him. His own plan disappears like a Trump casino stock value.

PROMISE: Remove 2 regulations for every new one.
ACTION: Asks everyone to look into it and get back to him.

PROMISE: Will build the Wall. Nobody builds like he does.
ACTION: Asks everyone to submit proposals. Has nothing to do with it.

PROMISE: There were 3-5 million illegal votes. Otherwise he would have won the election.
ACTION: Asks everyone else to go find it for him.

[Paranoid Android]

I should chuckle at this when they find say a handful or at meaningless number compared to 130 million votes. It is scary since they will find more ways to suppress the votes.

Another E.O. Can this orange moron even govern?

[Orlong]

The head of this commission is a Voter ID pusher. So, there's that.

There is no widespread voter fraud. This commission will get nothing but states yelling at them.

You dont know that, and neither do I or anyone else for that matter. Its the talking point BS that liberals always throw out when voter ID laws are considered, because they like voter fraud. Why else would they be opposed to an investigation?

The truth is we dont know if there is a lot of voter fraud or not because there has NEVER been a thorough and complete investigation done including a review of the voter rolls at every precinct in the nation to verify people arent registered in more than one precinct/state, and havent voted in more than one precinct or double voted (in person and absentee ballot), and that all rolls are purged of dead people, duplicates, and people not eligible to vote (illegal aliens and felons), and then cross check them against votes cast to determine how many people voted multiple times, how many dead people voted, and how many people who arent allowed to vote voted.

Then we have to figure out a way to determine how many people voted in place of someone else (I know my dad doesnt vote so Ill go to the polls and pose as him since they dont check photo ID and they will believe I am him is likely a typical thing), and then go to my precinct and vote as well. If Trumps order actually orders a complete and thorough investigation like this, and they find nothing then voter ID will be a moot point and will never be brought up again

Walking 3 steps outside the entrance to Disneyland and saying I cant see my car (since you parked 2 miles away), someone stole it, doesnt mean it was actually stolen.

[Shadowferal]

I know my dad doesnt vote so Ill go to the polls and pose as him since they dont check photo ID and they will believe I am him is likely a typical thing, and then go to my precinct and vote as well.

This doesn't surprise me that you commit voter fraud...
Not one bit.

[Orlong]

I'm still wondering why ID laws are a bad thing. Who doesn't carry some form of ID?

Oh they do. They use them for buying their booze, signing up for welfare, and going to the ER for a runny nose, but they cant possibly find it on election day. But they are OK with saying voter ID laws would be ok if they could use flimsy no security (multi layer holograms, magnetic stripe, metallic ink, etc..) IDs that anyone can counterfeit at home like library cards or student IDs where you just need to laminate something you printed at home on your computer with no

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We already have voter registration cards that can be verified if lost/forgotten. Oh and free.

People who push voter id rarely mean free ids thats wont hinder/surpess the working class.

Which are made of paper and have no picture on them. Easily faked, counterfeited, duplicated.

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Yes, you can get other IDs, but you have to go out of your way and pay to have one. It should just be something that you are given as a citizen and should be something that is easily accessible. Not everyone can afford to take a day off of work to travel miles to get to the DMV to get an ID.

The DMVs near me are all open every day except Sunday. Im sure they have at least one day off or they get off by 5. They are open till 6. Also a bus ride is only about $1.50 thanks to the siphoning of gas taxes meant to maintain the roads being given to mass transit to subsidize fares so people never have to actually pay what a bus ride actually costs

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You dont know that, and neither do I or anyone else for that matter. Its the talking point BS that liberals always throw out when voter ID laws are considered, because they like voter fraud. Why else would they be opposed to an investigation?

The truth is we dont know if there is a lot of voter fraud or not because there has NEVER been a thorough and complete investigation done including a review of the voter rolls at every precinct in the nation to verify people arent registered in more than one precinct/state, and havent voted in more than one precinct or double voted (in person and absentee ballot), and that all rolls are purged of dead people, duplicates, and people not eligible to vote (illegal aliens and felons), and then cross check them against votes cast to determine how many people voted multiple times, how many dead people voted, and how many people who arent allowed to vote voted.

Then we have to figure out a way to determine how many people voted in place of someone else (I know my dad doesnt vote so Ill go to the polls and pose as him since they dont check photo ID and they will believe I am him is likely a typical thing), and then go to my precinct and vote as well. If Trumps order actually orders a complete and thorough investigation like this, and they find nothing then voter ID will be a moot point and will never be brought up again

Walking 3 steps outside the entrance to Disneyland and saying I cant see my car (since you parked 2 miles away), someone stole it, doesnt mean it was actually stolen.

Doubt there's voter fraud in the scales Trump is thinking, maybe like 100k fraudulent votes, but it's definitely not going to be 3-5 million. He has lost the popular vote, no matter how hard he tries to deny that loss, he's forever going to be the president that won because Comey gave him a push and the fact that there's an electoral system to begin with. With any other conditions he wouldn't have won, and that's why it stings his ego so much.

[Orlong]

work day? that was my day off. It took less than an hour.

You make it sound like an insurmountable barrier that people couldn't hope to pass over. I did, and my only marketable skills involve the fact that I'm practically immortal and get a massive surge of adrenaline almost on command to do massive lifting. Seriously, the forms even came in spanish for the illegals/people who don't want to integrate/haven't learned the language yet.

Yeah, if people manage to get to the polls to vote, then they can manage to get to the DMV to get an ID card

[Barnabas]

We recounted and no evidence was found of tampering. Who cares? Democrats are still in denial that they lost not only the presidency but seats across the nation.

[Orlong]

People carry ID all the time, for things the ID is used for, like driving. That's not the point.

Voting is a right. Voter ID laws restrict that right. That's why they're struck down all the time. It's basically the same as saying "Who cares if it costs $5 to vote? Who doesn't have $5?" Voting taxes are illegal.

Most of the recent voter ID laws, provide for a no charge ID. You just have to go get one

[Deleted]

We recounted and no evidence was found of tampering. Who cares? Democrats are still in denial that they lost not only the presidency but seats across the nation.

We all know how mid terms correct that issue fairly fast. Expect democrats to win big during mid terms and probably having the majority to push for his impeachment based on the fact that the acting president is an ineffective leader.

[Barnabas]

We all know how mid terms correct that issue fairly fast. Expect democrats to win big during mid terms and probably having the majority to push for his impeachment based on the fact that the acting president is an ineffective leader.

If democrats are so confident in this scenario then why are you still crying? Are you just trying to keep tin prices artificially high?

[Deleted]

If democrats are so confident in this scenario then why are you still crying? Are you just trying to keep tin prices artificially high?

Oh yeah I'm so in tears. I'm crying all the time.

[Nfinitii]

Why are people complaining? After all the claims that Trump stole the election, you'd think there'd be a positive reaction to looking into voter fraud.

It doesn't fit their narrative, that's always the reason y. Look at comey, they love him when he doesn't indite Hillary, hate him when he reopens the investigation, hate him b/c he's the reason Hillary lost and want him fired. Trump fires him which both sides wanted now they r loving comey again.

U would think they would want it investigated. Voting is the single greatest thing about this country and u would want it to be as fair as possible.

[Orlong]

lost my id, needed my birth certificate didn't have it, couldn't get my birth certificate without my id, took me a month and over 100$ + travel/time off work to get my birth certificate so i can get my id. I could afford that, a lot of people can't.

Everyone gets a free birth certificate when they are born, if you lost it then youre irresponsible. Tough shit if you have to jump through hoops to get another

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Why? You know what doesn't have issues with ID, already exists, would increase voting numbers, has not received scrutiny from GOP/Trump/DNC, is not a poll tax and does not waste tax payer money on a distraction? Absentee voting...

But, that just makes too much since, doesn't it?

Once again, Washington rocks and your state sucks. Absentee voting for everyone! I voted a week before the election and then stood in line as may parents had to vote, after working until 5 in NYC. You know what I did? Take letter from mail, checked Hillary, a bunch of stuff I don't remember and made sure to write in Bob Dole for two uncontested seats, sign and drop in mail. But, you all have fun choosing to vote or time and a half. I think this is where a LuLz goes...

And we DO need a more secure way of conducting absentee voting. Way to easy to vote fraudulently that way

[Shadowferal]

Trump's little EO will be as useful as his little religious freedom EO...

[Orlong]

Unless your here in California where you can get a drivers as a illegal alien and then go vote because they do not check had 3 of them do it that I know of did this year.

Yep all you have to do is answer yes to the question are you a US citizen on the license application (supposedly under penalty of law if you lie, but they never verify) and then you can register to vote

[Barnabas]

Oh yeah I'm so in tears. I'm crying all the time.

So if your plan backfires in mid terms and people still don't buy the lefts nonsense will you move on to martian theories as to why you lost?

[Enthusiastic Steward]

The issue to me is all the questions that pop up trying to look at the scenario Trump is outlining objectively.

Well before the election, he was stating widespread voter fraud would occur. He was stating this with certainty as a fact. To do so requires (normally, at least) evidence of some kind. Yet Trump did nothing to tackle the issue, cite evidence that it would happen so steps could be taken to correct it, or any other action before the election other than stating it at campaign rallies. So why was he willing to take part in what was sure to be a close election that he knew would be rigged, thus subverting American Democracy!, without doing anything about it?
You can argue that as a mere candidate, and a political outsider, he didn't have the ability to do anything, but at the very least he could have presented the 'evidence' he had which let him know this was certain to occur. That would have sent the Republicans into a fury. After all, if there appears to be credible evidence that your opponents are attempting to permit election rigging, that would be a MASSIVE story and would have gutted the Democratic party top to bottom. So why didn't this happen, unless no such evidence exists?

Also, most of the allegations I've seen is this occurring in solidly blue states, like California and New York where the Democratic voter margin is larger anyway. Clinton won California by over 3 million votes. Trump alleges that there were 3-5 million illegal votes. But, if you're trying to orchestrate election rigging, what the fuck is the point of carrying a state that would likely tip blue anyway by a 3 million vote surplus? Why not focus resources in swing states that were close; Ohio, North Carolina, Wisconsin etc etc. All these illegal votes are largely useless in CA and NY but a far smaller number would have made a massive difference in other states. Orchestrating/permitting widespread voter fraud to the tune of millions is a massive ordeal, having the end result be the same as having not had it happen at all is nonsensical.
You can take 4 million Democrat votes from CA and NY and have them still go to Clinton. You can split 500,000 Democrat votes between NC, WI, MI, and FL and tip all those states to Clinton, thus she carries the election by a comfortable margin and its close enough not to really raise any red flags. And so on. The scenario makes no sense.