Well I guess we know who the Republicans will run in 2020

[Rukh]

Does Al Franken not count?

He has a BA in government from Harvard, cum laude. He knows a thing or two.

[Lenonis]

democrats should have instantly lost all support from the LGBT community.

Give me a fucking break. How can you be so completely blind to the utter hatred coming from the right? Any pathetic attempt to paint the GOP as the go-to party for LGBT folks should be ruthlessly mocked.

I mean heck, we just had a thread about a Republican politician who said gays are different from human beings. But yes, please talk more about the Orlando shooting.

[Dextroden]

Give me a fucking break. How can you be so completely blind to the utter hatred coming from the right? Any pathetic attempt to paint the GOP as the go-to party for LGBT folks should be ruthlessly mocked.

I mean heck, we just had a thread about a Republican politician who said gays are different from human beings. But yes, please talk more about the Orlando shooting.

For me, it's pretending they weren't opportunists and were supposedly gay allies from day 1.

Never forget DOMA. Winning seats will win over serving constituents.

[Lenonis]

For me, it's pretending they weren't opportunists and were supposedly gay allies from day 1.

Never forget DOMA. Winning seats will win over serving constituents.

I do enjoy straight people telling gay people to vote against their own self interests. NEVER gets old.

Question for bonus points -- why did DOMA get passed?

[Garnier Fructis]

Another one, you mean?

I didn't vote for Trump, so it wouldn't be 'another.'

[Garnier Fructis]

Did your State go to Trump and did you vote for Hillary?

No and yes.

[Barnabas]

Votes Republican. Is disappointed when Republicans don't support LGBT issues.

Brilliant plan.

Yep wrong party if you want identity politics.

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In a large number of states it is still legal to fire someone because you think they are gay. Or deny them housing, or any number of discriminatory acts.

Sexual orientation just needs to become a federal protected class and it'll be a done deal. But until then equality under the law is not the reality.

Then what about pedophiles? Wouldn't they fall under the blanket "sexual orientation" laws?

[Garnier Fructis]

Then what about pedophiles? Wouldn't they fall under the blanket "sexual orientation" laws?

Why would it? Is age a gender?

[Dextroden]

I do enjoy straight people telling gay people to vote against their own self interests. NEVER gets old.

Question for bonus points -- why did DOMA get passed?

Republicans wanted it. Democrats rolled over for it. Good thing I never claimed Republicans were gay allies. That doesn't get you a gotcha.

Black. Called white.
Voted for Obama and Johnson. Called Trumpist.
Bisexual. Called straight.

I truly love this board.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

Republicans wanted it. Democrats rolled over for it. Good thing I never claimed Republicans were gay allies. That doesn't get you a gotcha.

I'm generally okay with personal evolution, particularly when it comes with a significant presence at the table. Hell, I give my family the same latitude. My old man was against gay marriage not all that long ago in the grand scheme of things. Plus, being born pure is boring. It takes real intelligence and a healthy response to experience to reevaluate your opinions.

[Dextroden]

I'm generally okay with personal evolution, particularly when it comes with a significant presence at the table. Hell, I give my family the same latitude. My old man was against gay marriage not all that long ago in the grand scheme of things. Plus, being born pure is boring. It takes real intelligence and a healthy response to experience to reevaluate your opinions.

So, if a faction of Republicans take the wheel with the aim stop going after LGBT people, are they evolved or opportunists? Will that magically undo the past?

[GreenGoldSharpie]

So, if a faction of Republicans take the wheel with the aim stop going after LGBT people, are they evolved or opportunists? Will that magically undo the past?

Over time, yup. I'm pretty damn liberal, but if LGBT folks had a legitimate seat and a good deal of policy influence within the GOP I'd be pretty okay working with them on the issue. As for "evolved" or "opportunist" I really could care less. The outcome is what matters.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

Kanye is just as whiny as both sides.

[Teebone]

Caitlin vs Kanye 2020.

At that point I'd join Al Qeada or ISIS. Fuck. That. Shit.

[Lenonis]

Then what about pedophiles? Wouldn't they fall under the blanket "sexual orientation" laws?

When will you learn that equating homosexuality and pedophilia is not a winning combo? And to your answer -- children can't consent, so for the purposes of a legal union, no, it wouldn't. And for discrimination purposes...unless someone is breaking the law or has broken the law by having sex with children or engaging in child pornography then there is no reason to discriminate against them.

Who knew the right wing wants to be the thought police? Here I thought that was the accusation against the left.

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Republicans wanted it. Democrats rolled over for it. Good thing I never claimed Republicans were gay allies. That doesn't get you a gotcha.

Incorrect. Republicans actually wanted a constitutional amendment putting man + woman into the consistution. It appeared they had the power to do so. DOMA was the compromise that prevented the constitutional amendment from happening. DOMA, at the time, was the pro-LGBT option out of what was on the table.

[Mormolyce]

Then what about pedophiles? Wouldn't they fall under the blanket "sexual orientation" laws?

Pedophilia is classified as a paraphilic disorder in the DSM. So, no. Please insert coin to play again.

[hrugner]

Pedophilia is classified as a paraphilic disorder in the DSM. So, no. Please insert coin to play again.

The DSM, while often referenced in legal proceedings, isn't a legal document. It is often used, but you are still required to provide expert testimony rather than reading out of the book. If you can get an expert to argue for pedophilia as a sexual orientation, and a jury to support the argument, then it doesn't really matter what the DSM says.

http://jaapl.org/content/39/1/6

[Mormolyce]

The DSM, while often referenced in legal proceedings, isn't a legal document. It is often used, but you are still required to provide expert testimony rather than reading out of the book. If you can get an expert to argue for pedophilia as a sexual orientation, and a jury to support the argument, then it doesn't really matter what the DSM says.

http://jaapl.org/content/39/1/6

I'm fully aware. Obviously there is no legal document on what constitutes a sexuality.

But you would never get that argument through any court. The DSM is one example of some clinical evidence that would be given against it.

[Super Kami Dende]

Maybe she thought she'd be covered because she's an old white man.

Wow, Transphobic much

[Mormolyce]

Wow, Transphobic much

Wow, SJW much?