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    How Trump gets his fake news

    This article is a real zinger. Apparently staffers are slipping info to him on the basis that no matter whether the info is real or not or not he will believe it, and thus use it to shape his actions. Oh and he needs daily positive reaffirmation otherwise he throws a man-child tantrum.

    Highlighted the best bits.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ke-news-238379
    How Trump gets his fake news

    The president rarely surfs the web on his own, but his staff have made a habit of slipping news stories on to his desk—including the occasional internet hoax.


    White House chief of staff Reince Priebus issued a stern warning at a recent senior staff meeting: Quit trying to secretly slip stuff to President Trump.

    Just days earlier, K.T. McFarland, the deputy national security adviser, had given Trump a printout of two Time magazine covers. One, supposedly from the 1970s, warned of a coming ice age; the other, from 2008, about surviving global warming, according to four White House officials familiar with the matter.

    Trump quickly got lathered up about the media’s hypocrisy. But there was a problem. The 1970s cover was fake, part of an Internet hoax that’s circulated for years. Staff chased down the truth and intervened before Trump tweeted or talked publicly about it.

    The episode illustrates the impossible mission of managing a White House led by an impetuous president who has resisted structure and strictures his entire adult life.

    While the information stream to past commanders-in-chief has been tightly monitored, Trump prefers an open Oval Office with a free flow of ideas and inputs from both official and unofficial channels. And he often does not differentiate between the two. Aides sometimes slip him stories to press their advantage on policy; other times they do so to gain an edge in the seemingly endless Game of Thrones inside the West Wing.

    The consequences can be tremendous, according to a half-dozen White House officials and others with direct interactions with the president. A news story tucked into Trump’s hands at the right moment can torpedo an appointment or redirect the president’s entire agenda. Current and former Trump officials say Trump can react volcanically to negative press clips, especially those with damaging leaks, becoming engrossed in finding out where they originated.

    That is what happened in late February when someone mischievously gave the president a printed copy of an article from GotNews.com, the website of Internet provocateur Charles C. Johnson, which accused deputy chief of staff Katie Walsh of being “the source behind a bunch of leaks” in the White House.

    No matter that Johnson had been permanently banned from Twitter for harassment or that he offered no concrete evidence or that he’s lobbed false accusations in the past and recanted them. Trump read the article and began asking staff about Walsh.
    Johnson told POLITICO that he tracks the IP addresses of visitors to his website and added: “I can tell you unequivocally that the story was shared all around the White House.”

    White House chief strategist Steve Bannon defended Walsh, who has since left the administration to advise a pro-Trump group, in a statement to POLITICO: “Katie was a key member of the team and is a trusted friend and ally of the White House. No one in the White House took that article seriously.” Walsh declined to comment.

    'But the smear of one of Priebus’ closest allies – Walsh was his chief of staff at the Republican National Committee – vaulted from an obscure web posting to the topic of heated conversation in the West Wing, setting off mini internal investigations into who had backstabbed Walsh.

    When Trump bellows about this or that story, his aides often scramble in a game of cat-and-mouse to figure out who alerted the president to the piece in the first place given that he rarely browses the Internet on his own. Some in the White House describe getting angry calls from the president and then hustling over to Trump’s personal secretary, Madeleine Westerhout, to ferret who exactly had just paid a visit to the Oval Office and possibly set Trump off.

    Priebus and White House staff secretary Rob Porter have tried to implement a system to manage and document the paperwork Trump receives. While some see the new structure as a power play by a weakened chief of staff – “He’d like to get a phone log too,” cracked one senior White House adviser—others are more concerned about the unfettered ability of Trump’s family-member advisers, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump, to ply the president with whatever paperwork they want in the residence sight unseen.

    “They have this system in place to get things on his desk now,” the same White House official said. “I’m not sure anyone follows it.”

    Priebus has implored staff to do so in order to abide by presidential record-keeping laws, which require cataloguing what the president sees for the archives.

    Lisa Brown, who served as White House staff secretary under President Barack Obama for two years, said it can be “dangerous” when people make end-runs around paperwork procedures, leaving the president with incomplete or one-sided information at key junctures.

    “It’s even more important with someone like this,” she said of Trump, a president notoriously influenced by the last person he has spoken to, “but the challenge is he has to buy into it.”

    “You know that people are going to go around the system. But then it’s up to the principal to decide how to handle it,” Brown added. “You need the president to say ‘thanks, I appreciate it’ [when he receives stories] and to hand it off to get it into a process.”

    McFarland, who is expected to leave the NSC for the ambassadorship to Singapore, did not respond to requests for comment about bringing the president a fake news magazine cover. But another White House official familiar with the matter tried to defend it as an honest error that was “fake but accurate.”

    “While the specific cover is fake, it is true there was a period in the 70s when people were predicting an ice age,” the official insisted. “The broader point I think was accurate.”

    Trump may not be a fan of briefing books but he does devour the news. Most mornings, current and former aides say, Trump reads through a handful of newspapers in print, including the New York Times, New York Post, Washington Post and Wall Street Journal — all while watching cable news shows in the background.

    He uses the Internet minimally, other than tweeting and tracking his mentions, so what other news stories he sees can be more haphazard. Trump does receive a daily binder of news clippings put together his communications team, but White House officials disagreed about how much he reads those. White House and former campaign aides have tried to make sure Trump’s media diet includes regular doses of praise and positive stories to keep his mood up – a tactic honed by staff during the campaign to keep him from tweeting angrily.

    There is universal agreement among Trump advisers on this: The best way to focus the president’s attention on any story is to tell him about it personally, even if it is in one of the papers he’s already thumbed through. But officials say it’s a high-risk, high-reward proposition because Trump’s frustrations at bad stories can easily boomerang against those delivering him the news.

    Still, Trump advisers are unwilling to give up the chance to directly bend the president’s ear and hand him supporting documents because they have seen how he can be swayed.

    When Secretary of State Rex Tillerson wanted to appoint Elliott Abrams, a veteran of the Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush White Houses, as his No. 2, someone in the president’s orbit made sure Trump was freshly aware of Abrams' anti-Trump comments from 2016, such as a Weekly Standard op-ed in which Abrams wrote, “The party has nominated someone who cannot win and should not be president.”

    Trump personally intervened to block Abrams’ appointment.

    More recently, when four economists who advised Trump during the campaign — Steve Forbes, Larry Kudlow, Arthur Laffer and Stephen Moore — wrote in a New York Times op-ed that “now is the time to move it forward with urgency,” someone in the White House flagged the piece for the president.

    Trump summoned staff to talk about it. His message: Make this the tax plan, according to one White House official present.

    The op-ed came out on a Wednesday. By Friday, Trump was telling the Associated Press, “I shouldn’t tell you this, but we’re going to be announcing, probably on Wednesday, tax reform,” startling his own aides who had not yet prepared such a plan. Sure enough, the next Wednesday Trump’s economic team was rolling out a tax plan that echoed the op-ed.

    Moore was at the White House that day. “Several of the White House folks came up to us and said, ‘It’s your op-ed that got Trump moving on this,’” Moore said. “I’ve probably written 1,000 op-eds in my life but that might have been the most impactful.”

    So who was his guardian angel in the White House?

    “We still don’t know,” he said.
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    This sounds as if Trump was a victim.

    What if he just isnt? Think about the idea.

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    I said early on one of the biggest problems with Trump is how easily he's manipulated. That's not a good trait in a president.

    You either play on his ego, or his desire to believe whatever is most beneficial to him (probably also related to ego).

    It's been a disaster so far, and as things get more complex on the global stage this ability to play Trump like a fiddle is going to post real risks.

    But please, by all means Trump supporters, please share how this is nothing to be worried about. Or, of course, that's it just fake news. Even thought there is clear evidence of this behavior in interviews and on his twitter feed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    I said early on one of the biggest problems with Trump is how easily he's manipulated.
    He is not being manipulated, he is the manipulator. He turned million of americans into nationalists who believe sweden is a terrorist camp, and who are frightened of mexicans and muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    This sounds as if Trump was a victim.

    What if he just isnt? Think about the idea.
    What this actually sounds a lot like to me, is the same thing that happened with Bush. Bush himself wasn't/isn't a bad person and he genuinely wanted to do right by the American people, but his cabinet was full of snakes that kept him derailed from positive policy by manipulating him into bad policy.

    It's part of reason that Bush, and now Trump, are seen as useful idiots and puppets. They don't lead on their own, they're led in whatever direction their cabinet and staffers want them to go in. That's ridiculously scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    He is not being manipulated, he is the manipulator. He turned million of americans into nationalists who believe sweden is a terrorist camp, and who are frightened of mexicans and muslims.
    Trump didn't "turn" anyone. All of those people were already nationalists and xenophobes to begin with, Trump simply gave them an outlet to express those views at the ballot box. Demagoguery wouldn't work if people weren't such hateful little trolls on the inside all along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    He is not being manipulated, he is the manipulator. He turned million of americans into nationalists who believe sweden is a terrorist camp, and who are frightened of mexicans and muslims.
    He did those things yes, but as the mouthpiece. Toward the end of his campaign, it was provable that he was getting a lot of his information from conspiracy sites like InfoWars, and Brietbart, and that a few of his advisors had ties to white nationalist sites like Stormfront. And Trump didn't really do the turning, all he did was give the white nationalist movement a legitimizing platform, which emboldened all the crazies and cooks out of the shadow.

    Though, did Trump's campaign also manipulate the gullible masses? Absolutely. But Trump was just as manipulated into saying the things he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macaquerie View Post
    Trump didn't "turn" anyone. All of those people were already nationalists and xenophobes to begin with, Trump simply gave them an outlet to express those views at the ballot box. Demagoguery wouldn't work if people weren't such hateful little trolls on the inside all along.
    Demagogy works as it always adresses the bad in people. And people are made out of good ideas and bad ideas.

    And you need to be a good demagogue and manipulator to adress the bad part successfully and make people get rid of humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    This sounds as if Trump was a victim.

    What if he just isnt? Think about the idea.
    He plays the victim a lot. He takes every criticism like a spoiled child. He has very thin skin and complains relentlessly about being attacked.

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    The grasping at straws at this point is borderline sad.
    I think I can safely say that you've never complained of people grasping at straws in regard to the relentless criticism of Obama. Just a hunch.
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    If you're the president you don't sit around reading about all the daily news and the opinion of journalists. The White House has direct communication resources regarding truly important global events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanknasty View Post
    The grasping at straws at this point is borderline sad.
    ???? This doesn't make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seezer View Post
    He plays the victim a lot. He takes every criticism like a spoiled child. He has very thin skin and complains relentlessly about being attacked.
    Yes, but that doesnt make him a victim in reality.

    In reality he is a great manipulator, who speaks the peoples tongue, and uses all their stereotypes to gain as much audience as possible to vote him for allowing them to show their bad habits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    If you're the president you don't sit around reading about all the daily news and the opinion of journalists. The White House has direct communication resources regarding truly important global events.
    Press stories are routinely included in daily briefing materials.

    And we know that despite Trumps protestations that he doesn't watch "Fake news" like CNN, he's got TV's turned on and he's watching opinion "news" shows all the time.

    Also, it would hardly be the first time Trump fell for fake news. The man read god damned Russian propaganda to his cheering supporters at a campaign rally in Nevada last year.

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    To act as if trump was an idiot helps trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    This sounds as if Trump was a victim.
    It's doubtful Trump is so stupid he let's the fake news lead him. It's more plausible he uses the fake news because it suits his agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    And we know that despite Trumps protestations that he doesn't watch "Fake news" like CNN, he's got TV's turned on and he's watching opinion "news" shows all the time.
    Which shows? How do you know he is watching them all the time?

    That's what underlings are for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolecent View Post
    It's doubtful Trump is so stupid he let's the fake news lead him. It's more plausible he uses the fake news because it suits his agenda.
    Right, that is what it is about. At the end, he is highly autocratic. And autocratic leaders need easy lies to cover strong lies.

    You guys really should read 1984 from Orwell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Which shows? How do you know he is watching them all the time?
    Because he's tweeting about that shit all the time, dude. In addition to the fact that he frequently talks about how he watches them.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    That's what underlings are for.
    He doesn't have very many of those right now, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Because he's tweeting about that shit all the time, dude. In addition to the fact that he frequently talks about how he watches them.

    He doesn't have very many of those right now, actually.
    The MSM is full of fake news so I don't think he should bother with it. Unless he is observing it to critique it.

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