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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Too bad we're talking about Skroe tagging himself a conservative and not whether the current morass of the Republican party can be called conservative.
    As a person like you in support of trump and the current republican party i find you can still answer that question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    Do or do not, I don't care.
    I'm sure you don't. That's why people with standing around torches are spooky but not people advocating for and giving out beatings, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    As a person like you in support of trump and the current republican party i find you can still answer that question.
    When you can't form an argument, call someone a Trumpist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    I'm sure you don't. That's why people with standing around torches are spooky but not people advocating for and giving out beatings, right?
    Starting to sound like a broken record at this point, right? Right? Right? Right? Rig- but her emails, right? Right? Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    Starting to sound like a broken record at this point, right? Right? Right? Right? Rig- but her emails, right? Right? Right?
    I always maintained Benghazi and the email investigations were jokes.

    Next talking point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    When you can't form an argument, call someone a Trumpist.
    So by this deflection i understand that you cannot answer the question as there is no political ideology behind the support of such a candidate, who and his followers claim to be part of but are all merely pretending to be the opposite of another political ideology, while actually being an empty husk of an alternative.

    Thanks for your answer, you'r free to actually add anything once you can move past the idea that simply calling yourself something doesn't make you immune of criticism especially when you cannot even define yourself politically, let alone defend it.

    I also want to thank you for not identifying yourself with actual conservatives, since nobody with an actual political ideology would want your kind on their team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    The memo was not a record of Trump telling him to end the investigation. The memo said that Trump said 'I hope that you can let this go' in regards to the Flynn case, which at that point Flynn had already been fired for lying to Pence.

    If Trump had attempted to interfere with the investigation, Comey would have been obligated to report it to the DoJ.

    Its obvious that entrenched interests, including the corporate media, are in an all out state of war against the Trump administration. The fact that he is getting this massive pushback suggests that he is seen as a reformer who threatens the powers that be, to the point where these people are willing to destroy the Republic in order to stop Trump.

    Just take a moment and consider how deranged all the people who want to undermine the peaceful transfer of power are acting. People in this thread talking about how they want to 'go after' their political enemies, these people sound like either lunatics of fascists, they are openly displaying all of the traits that they claimed Trump has.
    Using the power of the President to halt an investigation into one of the presidents associates is NOT the "peaceful transfer of power" That is the act of a fascist and autocrat. You should really look into the mirror when you accuse others of being lunatics and fascists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    The memo was not a record of Trump telling him to end the investigation. The memo said that Trump said 'I hope that you can let this go' in regards to the Flynn case, which at that point Flynn had already been fired for lying to Pence.

    If Trump had attempted to interfere with the investigation, Comey would have been obligated to report it to the DoJ.

    Its obvious that entrenched interests, including the corporate media, are in an all out state of war against the Trump administration. The fact that he is getting this massive pushback suggests that he is seen as a reformer who threatens the powers that be, to the point where these people are willing to destroy the Republic in order to stop Trump.

    Just take a moment and consider how deranged all the people who want to undermine the peaceful transfer of power are acting. People in this thread talking about how they want to 'go after' their political enemies, these people sound like either lunatics of fascists, they are openly displaying all of the traits that they claimed Trump has.
    Yes and those two are exactly the same thing. You do understand that there are different ways of saying exactly the same thing right?


    And I see you've been listening to the alternative facts media who have been pushing the "deep state" narrative, because of course they aren't going to tell the truth on this matter.

    And the only one who is deranged is Trump. His presidency has been one disastrous mess after another. Hell we even have republicans in congress abandoning him now despite this being a once in a generation chance to pass whatever legislation they want. That's how bad it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    So by this deflection i understand that you cannot answer the question as there is no political ideology behind the support of such a candidate, who and his followers claim to be part of but are all merely pretending to be the opposite of another political ideology, while actually being an empty husk of an alternative.

    Thanks for your answer, you'r free to actually add anything once you can move past the idea that simply calling yourself something doesn't make you immune of criticism especially when you cannot even define yourself politically, let alone defend it.

    I also want to thank you for not identifying yourself with actual conservatives, since nobody with an actual political ideology would want your kind on their team.
    Seeing as I never identified with conservatives or the Republican party, I'm lost on why you are do desperate to make me one.

    Oh right. Talking points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    I always maintained Benghazi and the email investigations were jokes.

    Next talking point?
    Long diatribes against left, sprinkles of right, etc. Excuse me if I find it hard to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    Yes and those two are exactly the same thing. You do understand that there are different ways of saying exactly the same thing right?


    And I see you've been listening to the alternative facts media who have been pushing the "deep state" narrative, because of course they aren't going to tell the truth on this matter.

    And the only one who is deranged is Trump. His presidency has been one disastrous mess after another. Hell we even have republicans in congress abandoning him now despite this being a once in a generation chance to pass whatever legislation they want. That's how bad it is.
    At the time, Comey did not take Trump's comment as an attempt to interfere with the investigation, otherwise he would have reported it correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    Using the power of the President to halt an investigation into one of the presidents associates is NOT the "peaceful transfer of power" That is the act of a fascist and autocrat. You should really look into the mirror when you accuse others of being lunatics and fascists.
    How did he use his power to halt an investigation? Did Trump abolish the entire FBI without anyone realizing it? As far as we know, no investigations were halted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    Long diatribes against left, sprinkles of right, etc. Excuse me if I find it hard to believe.
    Because the left is my party. The Republicans were a lost cause once Trump got their nomination after they hesitated to not let him have it.

    My party cares more about extremism on the opposing side than their own. But fuck me for being concerned, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Seeing as I never identified with conservatives or the Republican party, I'm lost on why you are do desperate to make me one.

    Oh right. Talking points.
    I must have missed the memo of the Trump party becoming the largest party in the US, or the president you are in support of denouncing being conservative.

    You also don't find the alt-right to be a problem and even add to it you find that such ideologies shouldn't be problematic for anyone seriously involved in the party, while that ideology has taken over the republican party and voted someone as Trump into power, a presidential candidate the product of a fake news station of the alt right called Breibart.

  14. #394
    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    How did he use his power to halt an investigation? Did Trump abolish the entire FBI without anyone realizing it? As far as we know, no investigations were halted.
    But regardless of [the] recommendation, I was going to fire Comey. Knowing there was no good time to do it!

    And in fact when I decided to just do it I said to myself, I said, “You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.”
    Trumps words. That's pretty easy to take as him thinking that firing Comey would end the investigation, which Trump views as a hoax.

  15. #395
    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    The memo was not a record of Trump telling him to end the investigation. The memo said that Trump said 'I hope that you can let this go' in regards to the Flynn case, which at that point Flynn had already been fired for lying to Pence.
    Weird then that Trump and his supporters thought Bill Clinton meeting with Loretta Lynch, where they didn't even talk about Hillary's email case, was somehow disqualifying for her because of obstruction of justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    At the time, Comey did not take Trump's comment as an attempt to interfere with the investigation, otherwise he would have reported it correct?
    No nowhere has Comey said that or suggested it. In fact the reports we do have say the exact opposite, that this memo and others (reports say there is a complete paper trail of such contacts) were created precisely because Comey thought Trump was trying to interfere in the investigation, and he wished to create a documented paper trail of it so that there would be evidence of what was occurring. Why are you making things up and saying things known to be untrue?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/u...stigation.html

    Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo. It was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence a continuing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redtower View Post
    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

  17. #397
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Trumps words. That's pretty easy to take as him thinking that firing Comey would end the investigation, which Trump views as a hoax.
    The FBI doesn't just close down all of its investigations and go on vacation when the director is removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Trumps words. That's pretty easy to take as him thinking that firing Comey would end the investigation, which Trump views as a hoax.
    Investigation wasnt even being run by Comey. FBI have consistently stated they have not had anyone interfering with their investigation. Edge with all this Anti Trump media and the fact that the media wants Trumps team investigated way more than they wanted Hillary brought up on charges. Do you really thing the FBI which was seemingly pro Hillary and pro Establishment would not jump at the opportunity to say Trump is hampering the investigation?
    Hell Obama did the exact same thing Trump did regarding Hillary. He told the FBI not to investigate. He was Comeys boss then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    I must have missed the memo of the Trump party becoming the largest party in the US, or the president you are in support of denouncing being conservative.

    You also don't find the alt-right to be a problem and even add to it you find that such ideologies shouldn't be problematic for anyone seriously involved in the party, while that ideology has taken over the republican party and voted someone as Trump into power, a presidential candidate the product of a fake news station of the alt right called Breibart.
    Who's going to support the Alt-right? The Trump party that people gleefully tell me is floundering? The Republican party that is lost and can't decide to turn in Trump or not? The country where idiots shouting at Muslims on the beach get arrested for disturbing the peace and people don't back the guy in cuffs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    At the time, Comey did not take Trump's comment as an attempt to interfere with the investigation, otherwise he would have reported it correct?
    From the NYTimes:
    After writing up a memo that outlined the meeting, Mr. Comey shared it with senior F.B.I. officials. Mr. Comey and his aides perceived Mr. Trump’s comments as an effort to influence the investigation, but they decided that they would try to keep the conversation secret — even from the F.B.I. agents working on the Russia investigation — so the details of the conversation would not affect the investigation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    How did he use his power to halt an investigation? Did Trump abolish the entire FBI without anyone realizing it? As far as we know, no investigations were halted.
    Trump tried. It's not obstruction only if you succeed.
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