Anti-EU folks, a Question

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There were good reasons for doing so (aside from some that outright escaped justice). Most of all the fact that, unless they proudly displayed it, one could not tell who voted for that party to begin with.

Weren't there documents?

[Mayhem]

Actually, I don't misuse the word. The "West" is Europe. Go check it out! But not just on maps, but actual history books!

That's the thing, i have, but then you somehow don't include the countries that were westernized by european countries for some odd reasons while including countries that never were western by any standard because they are part of europe. You're making little to no sense, which makes sense from a slavic union point of view who is clouded with nationalism and indoctrination.

Are we talking about the adjusted crime per capita, and for migrants who came to settle (i.e. work/study/live) rather than just move to another country to perform crime?

Nope raw numbers, and we're talking about migrants who aren't citizens of this country, because then they wouldn't fall into these statistics. Per capita it would make things look a lot worse for certain slavic countries.

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We would accept the minorities within, but nothing more.

Racism is judging an individual by the colour of his skin. That's illogical, since you cannot deduce the intellect or personality or skills of a person from his race only.

So what is making someone "slavic", and how isnt it a race definition?

Nice try, very nice! Impressive, in fact! But do keep trying though!

As if your attitudes arent obvious. Learn to discuss. And really, friend, if you want to create nationalistic propaganda, try harder.

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That's the thing, i have, but then you somehow don't include the countries that were westernized by european countries for some odd reasons while including countries that never were western by any standard because they are part of europe. You're making little to no sense, which makes sense from a slavic union point of view who is clouded with nationalism and indoctrination.

So having a Judeo-Christian roots, European architecture, European literature, European values, among other things, is "not Western at all"? I'm so sorry, but try again!

Nope raw numbers, and we're talking about migrants who aren't citizens of this country, because then they wouldn't fall into these statistics. Per capita it would make things look a lot worse for certain slavic countries.

I'd really like to see the per capita numbers!

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So what is making someone "slavic", and how isnt it a race definition?

Belonging to a Slavic ethnic group, like Czech.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Can't say I really care about the EU enough to be for or against it. From an American perspective its like a crying baby in an airplane. Sure its annoying but its better than 25 crying babies in an airplane. This keeps it more narrowed to one most of the time.

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Belonging to a Slavic ethnic group, like Czech.

That didnt answer my question. How isnt it a race definition? It is literally the same as like asking for a union of countries with westeuropean caucasians only.

[Verdugo]

Where are you from?

I could ask you the same if you honestly believe that slavs can police themselves.

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That didnt answer my question. How isnt it a race definition?

Well it doesn't include all white people, only the Slavs. So it isn't for an entire race, just a subset.

Nice try though! Very good attempt!

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I could ask you the same if you honestly believe that slavs can police themselves.

I asked you first.

[Macaquerie]

The concept of the "West" didn't exist until after WW II.
The great power construct that was the political philosophy of the day was a whole different thing that functioned on other aspects. For a majority of the last thousand years more of what is today Germany was under Austrian hegemony.
However the world has never been changing as quickly as since the start of the Industrial Revolution. Higher literacy and the printing press is why shit started happening. It is why parts of the world have a far more egalitarian view of life than parts of the world were those texts never got distributed until far later, and literacy is still shoddy. (Which is also the thinking and basis on the stuff that created the "West").
You should read far more broadly and in far more detail on your history. You probably think that the French Revolution happened because the French king was too powerful an autocrat and that's the only reason.

I might be mistaken about this, but as far as I can tell it's only been very recently that regular people have started self-identifying as "Westerners," most likely out of a desire to avoid an explicit racial label. To me it always seemed like "the West" was more a term thrown around by various post-colonial societies as catch all term for unwanted foreign influence and control, and by extension, the evils of modernization and commercialization.

And in that context, it'd be hard to place any part of Eastern Europe in the "Western" cultural sphere, which these days is mostly centered around the USA and not Europe.

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Well it doesn't include all white people, only the Slavs. So it isn't for an entire race, just a subset.

Oh so you believe slavic people are no own race then? You pretend they are an "ethnic group" only?

At the end "slavic" is a classification of humans based on physical traits, ancestry, genetics and social relations.

[NED funded]

I've always thought it was funny that socialists and leftists support the EU. Seem contradictory.

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Oh so you believe slavic people are no own race then? You pretend they are an "ethnic group" only?

At the end "slavic" is a classification of humans based on physical traits, ancestry, genetics and social relations.

Well, ethno-linguistic group of the white people.

Also, so what? We're not discussing race. Just a concept for a group of people who are different. Who cares? The same can be said for Europe, Germany, whatever.

"Oooh don't discuss China! It's racist!" lol

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I've always thought it was funny that socialists and leftists support the EU. Seem contradictory.

Only right wingkins think that. As they forget there is more than "left".

[Kiri]

Weren't there documents?

No? In most democracies, no one documents who voted for which party. You only register as having voted, not what you voted.

[Shibito]

Europe is a peace and prosperity project. We europeans have a bloody history going to war with each other. EU was founded to stop that.

EU is great, yes it has flaws, but you can't deny that capitalism, trading and communicating is better than potential war's.

PS: Im also a bit on the fence on EU, as with 90% of you people, its obviously based on culture differences with Muslims, but then you remember how fucking retarded your own country men are at times, and quickly move on....I dont know any muslims in my life or w/e, thats worse than the people of my own race.

No it wasnt now its heading down the toilet with free work flow you cant have low wage eastern europeans moving to high pay countries to work for scraps and not expect reactions.

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Well, ethno-linguistic group of the white people.

No, you are talking about a country for a specific race, in this case "slavic people".

Also, so what? We're not discussing race. Just a concept for a group of people who are different. Who cares? The same can be said for Europe, Germany, whatever.

Germany is a colorful mix out of a lot of cultures. I dont know where you come from, but actually multiculturalism is a big plus for a society. I mean, if you live in russia, you probably get filled up with nationalistic racist spam all day by the nationalistic media, but here in germany you get a wide range of media impressions.

Probably you should not just stick to right wing media outlets.

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No? In most democracies, no one documents who voted for which party. You only register as having voted, not what you voted.

I thought Nazi Germany would keep that under check.

In that case, everybody should have gone through a polygraph.

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As for the UK: that is not factually correct. Britain can leave the EU without paying that. Juncker predicates talks about a trade deal with the payment though, which, according to my information, is money that Britain owes the EU.

I guess this depends on who you ask.

They can leave without paying it, but that does change the fact that Juncker wants it.

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No, you are talking about a country for a specific race, in this case "slavic people".

Germany is a colorful mix out of a lot of cultures. I dont know where you come from, but actually multiculturalism is a big plus for a society. I mean, if you live in russia, you probably get filled up with nationalistic racist spam all day by the nationalistic media, but here in germany you get a wide range of media impressions.

Probably you should not just stick to right wing media outlets.

Multiculturalism exists everywhere, even in small countries. Russia has a lot of diversity. A Slavic state would have incredible diversity.

Also, so what? You cannot avoid any race talk altogether. Sorry, not sorry.

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Also, so what? You cannot avoid any race talk altogether. Sorry, not sorry.

Yeah, i know what you want to talk about. I just said you want a race discussion, and here you are.

Isnt that a topic for /pol/ or some right wing filter bubble on facebook or twitter?

What do you think you will achieve in a gamer forum?