All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
No, not everything. I even pointed that out to Shalcker a few posts previously. "Never changes" pointed out how these communiqués from Moscow still follow the same template decades later. But of course, if you claim NATO sponsorship for our revolutionaries, I await your proof.
Well, can you expand on your version of events?
As far as i see initial uprising obviously went with Nagy - previous Communist party reformer that fought excesses there. And excesses of government already led to dismissal of previous leader a few months prior to uprising, so lots of things were in agreement between USSR and Hungary.And of course there is a kernel of truth in the Soviet version. The Nagy government was indeed weak. Possibly because it was under siege from the start. He announced Hungary would withdraw from the Warsaw Pact - which is a far cry from appealing to them for help. Kádár invited the Soviet troops and ruled the country for the next 33 years (although he was forced out of effective leadership two years before his death).
There apparently was call for Soviet troops from Nagy government - claimed to be not from himself though but from one of his ministers.
But once Soviet troops actually left and law enforcement disappeared uprising devolved into hunting and hanging communists and secret police members by shoe colour and general disruption of peaceful life.
So, decision was reversed and Soviet forces returned.
Would same thing happen if communists didn't get killed and threats remained largely verbal or contained to top brass of Hungarian communist party? Maybe it would; maybe it wouldn't. Lots of things went into both initial decision and reversal.
Similar thing happened for Crimea/Donbass (law enforcement virtually disappearing, general lawlessness and all).
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
There are always those people who take the opportunity of a general upheaval to settle personal scores. There's no denying that. The main difference is whether you believe all this was homegrown or orchestrated. I prefer following the local consensus that while there was American propaganda over Radio Free Europe, there was no actual coordination. At any rate, there was no time. Just like there was no time for Nagy to rein in the hunt for Communists. We're talking about a couple of days here.
As for the Soviet forces returning, I'm invoking Soviet sources. Even Zhukov suggested troops may be withdrawn if that's the price of "keeping" Hungary - after all, the same Communist party was still in power, so they could have decided it was for the locals to sort out - until Nagy decided to withdraw from the Warsaw Pact. That changed everything literally overnight.
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Sure, there was meddling. After all, even broadcasting propaganda counts as such - like RT does today. The question is whether there was collusion.
Collusion was not required but surely there was collusion, not as big as US had hoped for, but still. That's also not a secret.
US was meddling in several areas - they were creating unfavorable economical conditions all around soviet-bloc, causing economy to decline in such states which in turn increased unrest, then the local CIA cell activated and began sowing the seeds of revolution. In Hungary it started with students - students are universally the most susceptible to outside influence.
You were saying about how it looks similar to other soviet-explained situations - here you can see the similarities to how US meddles in other countries. So it shouldn't be that difficult to see why it all looks similar. US did the same thing, Soviets saw the same thing. Over and over again.
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
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When fourteen suns had faintly journey'd o'er his dark abode:
His food she brought in iron baskets, his drink in cups of iron:
Crown'd with a helmet and dark hair the nameless female stood;
Trump is being kept in check and is barely managing to do anything. Alt-right are fringe groups that will never see a lot of power, at most they'll be able to put a talking
point in a much more moderate version of it on the agenda of centrum right governments.
But it is at least good that you acknowledge we have more freedom here. And no i'm not one bit worried about it all since people who buy into that are either gullible or badly informed.
According to this, http://tass.com/politics/954995 Putin has an approval rating of 81.4%
Putin kills people he doesn't like.
That's why I don't like Russians.
"That shit went down faster than a gold digger on a dying rich dude".
For some reason under any "Russian premier that is actually willing to work with them", or shall I rather say "ready to bend over and submit to any deranged demands" Russia itself starts to fall into poverty. I wonder, why those pesky Russians don't like that and say collective "fuck you" to the West by electing other people?
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All the criticism I've seen has been levied at the Russian government rather than the Russian people. It isn't racism to criticize a government.
Regardless, Russia is up to shady stuff and it isn't irrational to be wary of the country's government just like I'm sure other governments are wary of ours.
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To you and several dozens of other who keep parotting this mantra and thinks it is makes them "not russophobes". Russia's government have overwhelming majority support - i.e. over 80%. Hating Russian government = hating over 80% of Russians. Not even a bit russophobic, right?
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