2 explosions in Manchester Arena - CONFIRMED Fatalities.

[Themius]

More blood on ultra liberals and globalist hands. Damn you for disturbing our calm, peaceful and harmonic countries, with your undemocratic and disrespectful politics.

The problem with the middle east is simple.

Used as a space for proxy wars

Manipulated by the west for use in proxy wars

Shit economy and unrest due to history.

[Freighter]

Ok, but in order to know when somebody in your specific country is *not* in line with your culture, you must surely be able to provide a definition of what your culture actually *is*. I really can't take you seriously on this if you're unable to provide even the most basic definition of what your country's culture entails.

As I say, values and behaviours are not held universally across a society. It's not just one thing, and your total inability to give any explanation of which actions *would* be in line with your culture as opposed to just those that you deem not to be only serves to prove that.

I'm waiting.

What my culture is or is not is not relevant in a discussion that people should adapt to a countries culture when they move there.

[Themius]

It's up to them, not me. I'd just stay away if I don't like their ideas.

So you would condone their actions? "Look if you go to x country you don't use chopsticks because a few people seem to be offended!"

[PC2]

People in radical christian countries burn gay people too... in some women are killed if their dowery isn't paid in also christian countries.

Those radical Christians don't have the right to move to any country without going through a legal vetting process. Nobody is immune to scrutiny.

[Narwal]

More blood on ultra liberals and globalist hands. Damn you for disturbing our calm, peaceful and harmonic countries, with your undemocratic and disrespectful politics.

It is interesting how nationalism could actually help this problem. If we kept like-minded people together inside a border, and kept out those against your system/way of life, you could have peace by simply protecting your own border from invasion. I don't mean America should close it's borders, but instead, only allow those in who espouse the freedoms we adore, and who believe in our system of law. Any show against it should be immediately disqualified for citizenship. Buy an island, put all of these people who show support for groups like ISIS on it, drop some supplies from a plane every once in a while if you feel bad.

[Freighter]

So you would condone their actions? "Look if you go to x country you don't use chopsticks because a few people seem to be offended!"

I just think it's stupid and would avoid that country.

[Dhrizzle]

No, I mean those so utterly without common sense that they suggested that the IRA was quite possibly behind this.

You do realise that the IRA (or at least a group calling itself the IRA made up from Republican paramilitaries that refused to disarm after the Good Friday agreement) is still active, was considered a significant threat as recently as last year, may have a reason to begin campaigning if Brexit negotiations are unsatisfactory and most worryingly may have access to huge caches of weapons and explosives left over from the Troubles.

The fact that the attack was at a train station in Manchester (the Manchester Arena links directly to Victoria station) rather than a capital city was enough reason for me to immediately think it was the IRA when I heard about it.

[Lokryn]

People in radical christian countries burn gay people too... in some women are killed if their dowery isn't paid in also christian countries.

Never heard of this in present times, source?

[Deleted]

I covered this earlier, but I'll reiterate: we have laws and procedures in place to deal with people who commit crimes. Things like FGM, child abuse and truancy are all illegal and have nothing to do with a person's immigration status. I am all for appropriate measures in these cases

However, you lost me when you started talking about things like the language a community speaks or who a child chooses to associate with. This would fall firmly into the authoritarian category of legislation, and that's a rocky road. It is unthinkable to me to allow the government to have any hand in who my child speaks to or associates with, or what language I or anybody else chooses to speak. Those are personal choices and giving the state any power when it comes to those areas is frankly fucking dangerous.

It seems to me that you're way too fixated on Muslims to see the bigger picture. That sort of shit leads to the removal of your personal freedoms, and you never get those back once they've been taken. We need to be careful as a society not to let fear and irrationality convince us to shift towards more authoritarian modes of governance.

While i agree with you, the alternative is a fractured society. The issue isn't the language, which i obviously didn't make clear, it's the fact that it's a gated society. The problem with a gated society is that mostly everyone that takes part will share the same views for the most part; in order to get a gated society going those views tend to be of the more extreme kind which include things that are illegal or immoral. This is only exacerbated by letting large amounts of refugees in at the same time as it doesn't give any time for people to integrate.

[Themius]

It is interesting how nationalism could actually help this problem. If we kept like-minded people together inside a border, and kept out those against your system/way of life, you could have peace by simply protecting your own border from invasion. I don't mean America should close it's borders, but instead, only allow those in who espouse the freedoms we adore, and who believe in our system of law. Any show against it should be immediately disqualified for citizenship. Buy an island, put all of these people who show support for groups like ISIS on it, drop some supplies from a plane every once in a while if you feel bad.

Nationalism always becomes "majority race superiority fun time!"

[Toogoodman]

Explain the 9/11 hijackers from the perspective of their economic background and education. Thanks.

I will truly never understand this perspective, that people wouldn't commit terrorism if they had a job (this makes me laugh). This really kills me, saying that someone being in less favorable conditions in another country is why they decided to bomb people on the other side of the planet? Love the lefts mission of pushing "global socialism" by trying to "point this out". Maybe we should just do what Russia did from early 1900s to the end of WW2, worked great for them right? would love me a political prisons, oops i mean "work out camp!".

Seriously though, these people are brain washed, its not because some of them are poor. A lot of these people come from every wealthy families, like the 9/11 terrorists. A lot of them are highly educated, and even educated in western countries, building a couple walmarts and giving them 401(k)s isnt going to stop this shit.

[Freighter]

It's absolutely relevant when you claim that they have to conform to it but then completely flounder when you're asked to explain what that would actually look like. Look, unless you can explain what your culture is, rather than just what it isn't then I think we're done here.

No, it's not relevant at all and is just an attempt at redirecting discussion away from the fact that people should adapt to the country they move to.

[KyleEverett]

So the bomber is a 22 year old who was born in Manchester to a Libyan family. 22 years ago would mean his family escaped Gaddafi who I thought even right-wingers hated.

[Infracted]

[Miyani]

German Chancellor Angela Merkel expressed shock and sorrow on Tuesday at the suicide attack and promised to fight people who commit such acts.

She said: “This suspected terrorist attack will only strengthen our resolve to continue to work together with our British friends against those who plan and carry out such inhumane deeds.

"I assure the people of Britain: Germany stands at your side.”

Only took a terrorist attack to make her say such a thing compared to the last few months...

[Venant]

So the "arabic world" has people that believe in stoning therefore doing the line dance brings in the ideas of stoning? There are people in this country who believe that gay people should be thrown in jail. God fearing christians.

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You're not answering the question.

You would condone such behaviour?

There's an issue of the scale when studies suggest that potentially several hundred million people in a certain religion believe in a political use for that religion that involves suicide bombing and killing people in other manners. You can't just point out random third world cultures and say 'well they act barbaric there too!' and use that as an argument. Much of this terrorism seems to come from places that have the benefit of first world educations, and many leaders of these terrorist organizations are extremely well educated.

I think you are looking down on people who have come to the conclusion that terrorism is effective politically, as if you think these people are just idiots who don't know any better. The problem is that terrorism *IS* incredibly effective as a political tool.

[Themius]

Never heard of this in present times, source?

I linked an article earlier of a gay person who was beaten and burned to death in Uganda earlier in the thread... these are common occurences in much of very Christian Africa (for which we can blame American fundamentalist) and the carribbean like Jamaica, where there are multiple videos of these sad acts online, simply because they're gay and have insulted god.

[cubby]

Only took a terrorist attack to make her say such a thing compared to the last few months...

But those are the right things to say, at a time like this.

[Elerubard]

ummm no? not all muslims are terrorists, so you're just being racist. it was most likely a chinese or indian person as they're the most populous nations in the world

How is it racist? Prejudiced, maybe; but Muslim isn't a race and speaking of them as if they are is idiotic.

[Themius]

No, it's not relevant at all and is just an attempt at redirecting discussion away from the fact that people should adapt to the country they move to.

It's an attempt to break down your retarded argument and it seems to be working as you are struggling.

[zenkai]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ariana-g...di-isis-claim/

LONDON -- Police on Tuesday identified the man who blew himself up the previous night at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, England, as 22-year-old Salman Abedi. CBS News confirmed Abedi was known to British authorities prior to the attack.

In a generic statement posted online, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) claimed responsibility for Abedi's suicide bomb attack, which left 22 people dead, including children, at one of the entrances to the Manchester Arena.


Officials said one man was arrested Tuesday in southern Manchester in connection with the attack, and urged people to avoid the center of the city as raids continued at addresses around the city.

Police and British Prime Minister Theresa May made it clear the focus of the investigation was to determine whether the bomber "was acting alone, or was part of a wider group."

ISIS issued its claim of responsibility in a brief, generic statement that did not identify the bomber and appeared to get some of the facts of the attack wrong. It claimed a "caliphate soldier managed to place a number of devices among a gathering of crusaders in Manchester, and detonated them."